Jacob Zuma openly defies Zondo commission, says he is ready to be jailed

[R13...]

Just like you or any of your lapdogs can’t explain racism. 30% aren’t you? Try me.

thechamp knows you're not honest enough to really want an answer, so he's choosing to play your game rather waste time on you.

But I'll you a summary, the reason CR can't jail Ace/Zuma is that in this new dawn, the NPA are a truly independent body unlike when Zuma et al installed various puppets who worked to protect them as they looted. The new dawn has installed competent people, formed the ID with focus on prosecuting corruption. Batohi is fixing up what Zuma broke. You can't fix a decade of state capture and Zuptoid infection in a year or two, cully.

This stuff should be trivial for a non-30%'er such as your good self.

You're welcome.

 

[grok]

thechamp knows you're not honest enough to really want an answer, so he's choosing to play your game rather waste time on you.

But I'll you a summary, the reason CR can't jail Ace/Zuma is that in this new dawn, the NPA are a truly independent body unlike when Zuma et al installed various puppets who worked to protect them as they looted. The new dawn has installed competent people, formed the ID with focus on prosecuting corruption. Batohi is fixing up what Zuma broke. You can't fix a decade of state capture and Zuptoid infection in a year or two, cully.

This stuff should be trivial for a non-30%'er such as your good self.

You're welcome.

Or, like we've seen this last few decades.. maybe it's just an African thing where the absolute worst leadahs are worshipped for their destruction of their disciples' futures?

And I'm not the only one that think so..

Quote: "We're living in two different realities as Black and White people," said Father Lemon.

 

[ponder]

But I'll you a summary, the reason CR can't jail Ace/Zuma is that in this new dawn, the NPA are a truly independent body....

I don't buy that.

 

[R13...]

I don't buy that.

They seem to be operating with no fear and favour. Got anything proving they're anything but?

 

[surface]

Just like you or any of your lapdogs can’t explain racism. 30% aren’t you? Try me.

Do you even have blue eyes bra?

 

[ponder]

They seem to be operating with no fear and favour. Got anything proving they're anything but?

1. The minister of justice etc can influence prosecutorial priorities, Section 179(5)(a) of the Constitution. You can never be truly independent under 179(5)(a)
2. With the covid related corruption I sense they're more going after the private persons more so than the gov knobs involved

 

[Jeeper]

Do you even have blue eyes bra?

No, green.

 

[Jeeper]

They seem to be operating with no fear and favour. Got anything proving they're anything but?

Neither Zuma or Ace are in jail. If any other normal citizen committed the same crimes, he/she would have been behind bars long time ago.

 

[TheChamp]

Neither Zuma or Ace are in jail. If any other normal citizen committed the same crimes, he/she would have been behind bars long time ago.

Usually normal citizens don't have the financial muscle, believe it or not it makes a lot of a difference.

By the way, there are plenty normal citizens charged before Ace and are still not in jail.

 

[ponder]

Usually normal citizens don't have the financial muscle, believe it or not it makes a lot of a difference.

By the way, there are plenty normal citizens charged before Ace and are still not in jail.

I highly doubt someone with more financial means than Zuma would be so lucky, even the concourt are twiddling their thumbs for an issue that's not legally complex. (Edit: it will be 3 months this friday since they reserved judgement)

 

[lowriderza]

Usually normal citizens don't have the financial muscle, believe it or not it makes a lot of a difference.

By the way, there are plenty normal citizens charged before Ace and are still not in jail.

Yup. Like I always say Justice and The Law are two different things. And even if one can prove Judicial corruption that would anyway been achieved by money or a different iteration of Power.

 

[TheChamp]

I highly doubt someone with more financial means than Zuma would be so lucky, even the concourt are twiddling their thumbs for an issue that's not legally complex. (Edit: it will be 3 months this friday since they reserved judgement)

True, but If that person were to be a President and capture the state for close to ten years...

 

[ponder]

True, but If that person were to be a President and capture the state for close to ten years...

That's why I'm saying it's not a financial means thing, it's the other factors.

 

[TheChamp]

That's why I'm saying it's not a financial means thing, it's the other factors.

But it is, and just because it is does not imply that some political clout won't help. Money helps the accused to nitpick even the most obscure technicalities and use them to their advantage, that's what Zuma has been doing all along, I don't understand how you can't see that?

You need to observe how things will change ever since SIU starts taking the money away from the lowlifes, and the state no longer pays just because you committed the crime while in government.

 

[ponder]

But it is, and just because it is does not imply that some political clout won't help. Money helps the accused to nitpick even the most obscure technicalities and use them to their advantage, that's what Zuma has been doing all along, I don't understand how you can't see that?

Take two people , x & y, that have the same wealth with x being a politician and connected while y is a civvy. x is gonna stay out of jail a lot longer due to his political power and control over the state apparatus. y's money will only get him so far while x just keeps on giving you the finger.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I highly doubt someone with more financial means than Zuma would be so lucky, even the concourt are twiddling their thumbs for an issue that's not legally complex. (Edit: it will be 3 months this friday since they reserved judgement)

The apex court being undecided is telling, and they need to rule within the time the 'Zondo Commission' is a legal entity, otherwise the matter will be aged. I am sure they are bargaining on the commission's extension, a decision they most probably already know, which will grant them with another three months to questionably ponder over this matter. People can argue that this matter is too delicate to haste, and hence taking time, but these same people ignore that it is a matter brought to the apex court in urgency which is in the public interest.

It is sad that the public interest only matters in selected matters.

People need to ask why the ConCourt has no urgency. Doing nothing is worse. It could be possible that some or most on the bench related to Zuma constitutionally, dignity and all that.

Personally, I think the ConCourt is waiting on Zuma's bid against the NPA, the outcome, because similar merits as brought to them there would apply to Zondo, but this could take a while as the next court schedule is late in July where it will be stretched out time and time again as usual.

Then there is also the possibility that the ConCourt may take the stance that the best way in dealing with Zuma is through the Zondo Commission report, leaving the matter to the ANC Presidency to decide what to do with those implicated. This route, however, will be the ultimate constitutional disgrace.

The biggest shock will be to see Zuma not implicated at all within the report.

 

[surface]

Take two people , x & y, that have the same wealth with x being a politician and connected while y is a civvy. x is gonna stay out of jail a lot longer due to his political power and control over the state apparatus. y's money will only get him so far while x just keeps on giving you the finger.

You got that right. What is your suggestion so that politicians don't wield such huge power?

 

[The_Mowgs]

You got that right. What is your suggestion so that politicians don't wield such huge power?

Everyone be equal in the eyes of the law?

 

[TheChamp]

Take two people , x & y, that have the same wealth with x being a politician and connected while y is a civvy. x is gonna stay out of jail a lot longer due to his political power and control over the state apparatus. y's money will only get him so far while x just keeps on giving you the finger.

Looks like you are saying both will enjoy the benefit of evading justice much longer than Sipho from eMondlo? And it looks like money is a factor?

Zuma is a massive exception in all of this, the others are not going to enjoy the luxury he had of holding the state to ransom.

 

[TheChamp]

Everyone be equal in the eyes of the law?

Those who are literate, have money and influence will always be able to game the system to work to their advantage, so while it's a nice ideal to strive for we can't really be equal before the law.