Java Spring Tech Leads, Snr Angular Devs & Engineering Managers

[Sodan]

Hello fellow techies

We find ourselves in need of all of the above.
Company, based in Kenya, is in FMCG logistics. Fully remote work.
Core tech: java, spring, kafka, mysql, GCP (containerisation, kubernetes, you know the stuff). Angular for the front-end which runs as a PWA.
If you know your stuff and have (ideally) 8+ years experience, let's have a conversation.

Engineering Managers - up to ~R75k pm. As an EM you don't have to be an expert in our specific tech stack, as long as you are comfortable in any tech stack, that'll do. The focus is on people and process management while being comfortable in the dev space.
Java Tech Leads - up to ~R75k pm
Angular Senior Devs - up to ~R55k

Choose your own work machine with the following options:

• $2000 limit: company pays, it belongs to the company
• $3500 limit: company pays, you repay the company over 1 year, it belongs to you

I'm a Director of Engineering at the company, so the EMs will report to me, and the devs will report to the EMs.

This is my first job post so please let me know if I missed anything. Always ready to learn

ps:
Note to recruiting agents/talent source specialists/skills acquisition gurus/etc:
The company pays Kenyan rates, which is quite a bit below standard SA rates. I've had 2 agencies walk away already because of this.
Agency fees have been increased from 10% to 15%.

 

[Sodan]

No-one? No one at all?

 

[Pho3nix]

No-one? No one at all?

Money might be too low for the roles :/
Understanding that these are Kenya rates

 

[slimeball]

No-one? No one at all?

I'm assuming pay is going to be an issue. Usually senior dev roles in South Africa pay a lot more. Also depends if it's a startup.

 

[Anthro]

The brain drain is real, we have been looking for a similar suite of skills for over a year - people are leaving in droves to the Netherlands

 

[retromodcoza]

One thing to note : There is no such thing as "Kenyan" or "South African" rates anymore.

With remote work and globalization market forces are balancing out remuneration all over the world. In a couple of years there will be a "world rate" for software developers and that will be the norm.

 

[Pho3nix]

The brain drain is real, we have been looking for a similar suite of skills for over a year - people are leaving in droves to the Netherlands

Snr Developer-Engineering Manager rates at the moment are fairly high. 1-1.7 bar at the moment. And that's without benefits. And these are people that actually perform.

The rates stated are on the lower end and the people that would apply are looking to level up and OP needs to be aware of that.

Also been interviewing for these types of roles and lots of interviewee's but no one that can actually just work and get the work done.

People are either comfortable, have left or already working for overseas companies while still in SA.

 

[TStringList]

One thing to note : There is no such thing as "Kenyan" or "South African" rates anymore.

With remote work and globalization market forces are balancing out remuneration all over the world. In a couple of years there will be a "world rate" for software developers and that will be the norm.

Agreed. Think locally, act globally.

 

[Sodan]

Thanks for all feedback. I have raised the issue about salary with the C-level guys and it's being reworked. I'm hoping to hear some positive news about an upward shift some time this week.

 

[Ancalagon]

Yeah rates are too low. I was making R75k four years ago and I wasn't even leading a team. Never mind being an engineering manager

 

[Pho3nix]

Thanks for all feedback. I have raised the issue about salary with the C-level guys and it's being reworked. I'm hoping to hear some positive news about an upward shift some time this week.

What's the Agency Rate story?

 

[Sodan]

What's the Agency Rate story?

10% in Kenya vs 20% in SA. They've now upped it to 15%.

 

[Leo_]

Yeah rates are too low. I was making R75k four years ago and I wasn't even leading a team. Never mind being an engineering manager

Tech leads (and highly-skilled developers) often earn more than managers - this is quite common.

 

[Ancalagon]

Tech leads (and highly-skilled developers) often earn more than managers - this is quite common.

Um yes exactly my point. Read my post again.