Jeffrey Epstein: US financier 'charged with sex trafficking'

rietrot

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So how do you think pedophiles connect with each other if not through code?

But lemme guess, we should rather pretend that this doesn't exist.
Way too much conspiracy theory. From my extended knowledge of the criminal underworld (nothing pedo) I can tell you that conversation goes something like this

Pedo 1 "hey bro, Is the island available. I had a shît week amd need a bit of a weekend away."

Epstein: " Sorry man, already booked for this weekend, you can have it from Monday or next weekend."

Pedo 1 "Okay make it next weekend, I'm taking a few friends, join us and bring the entertainment"


Not.
Pedo1 " Hi, I would like to order a hawaiian pizza"
 

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The reason we are even discussing this is because STS wanted to troll the thread by asking for examples of the thing he wanted to ridicule.

If you have a better explanation for why a bunch of hotdogs ordered to the White House would cost $65 000, let's hear it. Otherwise I'm not really interested in going down a rabbit hole where you stipulate a bunch of hypotetheticals and then try to criticise conclusions drawn on the basis of the hypotheticals.
LOl if you think that counts as proof, no wonder you fall for every conspiracy theory out there.

The email read: “I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?”

I think Gingerbeardman is a robotic russian bot, using a random word generator, run by Gredenko Popovitch in Room 7 in the Russian Troll Factory in St. Petersburg.

Boom, and so it has come to pass, by your standard of evidence, you are now a russian bot.
 

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The reason we are even discussing this is because STS wanted to troll the thread by asking for examples of the thing he wanted to ridicule.

If you have a better explanation for why a bunch of hotdogs ordered to the White House would cost $65 000, let's hear it. Otherwise I'm not really interested in going down a rabbit hole where you stipulate a bunch of hypotetheticals and then try to criticise conclusions drawn on the basis of the hypotheticals.
I wasn't ridiculing anything, I asked for actual evidence(as people brought up pizzagate earlier in the thread) - and you linked it to Obama as well. All I see are emails discussing food, I'm shocked
 

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LOl if you think that counts as proof, no wonder you fall for every conspiracy theory out there.

The email read: “I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?”

I think Gingerbeardman is a robotic russian bot, using a random word generator, run by Gredenko Popovitch in Room 7 in the Russian Troll Factory in St. Petersburg.

Boom, and so it has come to pass, by your standard of evidence, you are now a russian bot.
His mind is so open his brains fall out
 

Gingerbeardman

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LOl if you think that counts as proof, no wonder you fall for every conspiracy theory out there.

The email read: “I think Obama spent about $65,000 of the tax-payers money flying in pizza/dogs from Chicago for a private party at the White House not long ago, assume we are using the same channels?”

I think Gingerbeardman is a robotic russian bot, using a random word generator, run by Gredenko Popovitch in Room 7 in the Russian Troll Factory in St. Petersburg.

Boom, and so it has come to pass, by your standard of evidence, you are now a russian bot.
It's certainly a plausible interpretation of the facts as reported. You've done nothing to dispute its plausibility.

Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy.
 

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I wasn't ridiculing anything, I asked for actual evidence(as people brought up pizzagate earlier in the thread) - and you linked it to Obama as well. All I see are emails discussing food, I'm shocked
Go back to sleep, klaasvakie. :sleep:
 

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The reason we are even discussing this is because STS wanted to troll the thread by asking for examples of the thing he wanted to ridicule.

If you have a better explanation for why a bunch of hotdogs ordered to the White House would cost $65 000, let's hear it. Otherwise I'm not really interested in going down a rabbit hole where you stipulate a bunch of hypotetheticals and then try to criticise conclusions drawn on the basis of the hypotheticals.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-65000-hot-dogs/

Hell even saying Obama's admin actually bought the hotdogs to binge eat them while having a pyjama party makes more sense than what you're saying
 

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-65000-hot-dogs/

Hell even saying Obama's admin actually bought the hotdogs to binge eat them while having a pyjama party makes more sense than what you're saying
Snopes is not a credible fact-checking site. Can you explain why it is implausible that the money for the food actually went to Keith Raniere?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/fact-checking-the-fact-checkers-politifact-and-snopes-flagged-only-4-of-fake-news-stories-from-mueller-witch-hunt-missed-96-of-the-fake-news/

2nd time I'm linking this now.
 

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It's certainly a plausible interpretation of the facts as reported. You've done nothing to dispute its plausibility.

Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy.
How is it plausible?

People exaggerate all the time, especially when they talk of someone in a disparaging manner.

Look at how "facts" are twisted and inflated to put Trump in a bad light, which you endlessly fight to the last blade of grass on your hill to defend.

But a random, once off mention about someone saying they think Obama spent $65k on hot dogs, is somehow extrapolated to mean he was talking about a pedo conspiracy? You lap this up indiscriminately.

Occams Razor lol, wtf is that?

If Obama tweeted the cofveve gaffe you would be nuking every thread claiming how this was the code word to begin some random pedo operation.

Trump does it? Nah bra, totally a typo (which of course is exactly what it was).[/b]
 

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How is it plausible?

People exaggerate all the time, especially when they talk of someone in a disparaging manner.
The quote is not disparaging, the quote talks about "using the same channels". So clearly there is some sort of approval. But you would rather conclude that the person who is speaking does not know what they are talking about...

Hint: If your debunking consists of ruling that everyone whose claims are inconvenient must be crazy or mistaken, it doesn't sell very well.

But a random, once off mention about someone saying they think Obama spent $65k on hot dogs, is somehow extrapolated to mean he was talking about a pedo conspiracy? You lap this up indiscriminately.
Do the quantities match up or not?

Occams Razor lol, wtf is that?
Yes, but also you have to look at all the various pieces of evidence as a whole. You can't say "this must be crazy" and then exclude single pieces of evidence one at a time when collectively they all speak to the same thing. That's the behaviour of a skeptard, not a skeptic.

If Obama tweeted the cofveve gaffe you would be nuking every thread claiming how this was the code word to begin some random pedo operation.

Trump does it? Nah bra, totally a typo (which of course is exactly what it was).[/b]
Appeal to ridicule is a logical fallacy.
 

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Snopes is not a credible fact-checking site. Can you explain why it is implausible that the money for the food actually went to Keith Raniere?
Can you explain why it's implausible that the reason trump raising the flag on the 8th is because he is a secret Nazi agent pushing a white nationalist ideology to rid the world of all people of colour?
 

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Can you explain why it's implausible that the reason trump raising the flag on the 8th is because he is a secret Nazi agent pushing a white nationalist ideology to rid the world of all people of colour?
The difference here is that we are talking about money transactions, which would imply that services of some sort have been exchanged.

"Nothing" doesn't suffice as an answer for the services the way "nothing" suffices for what a particular gesture means.

And besides, nobody is doubting that spirit cooking is actually a ritual whose symbols have esoteric significance.

 

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What actual list?
sketchy, but still dodgy.

https://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

THE CLINTON DEAD POOL
1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.
2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor.”
7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident?
24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.
27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes.”
34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan
And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.
ah i see theres a word for it too. arkancide. aparently shot in the back of the head yet called suicide

more links and info below

http://www.arkancide.com/

seems like theres a trail of illogical cause of death reports too.
 
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