Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[rambo919]

Many think like that, but it doesn't mean they're right.

True enough but I only say it when I see someone is only posting to provoke negative responses with no actual desire for positive one's or any investment in honesty.

 

[scudsucker]

... anyone that thinks the catholic church is christian needs to have his head read.

So what is your favourite sub-genre of the christians?

 

[TysonRoux]

True enough but I only say it when I see someone is only posting to provoke negative responses with no actual desire for positive one's or any investment in honesty.

But everything that contradicts or challenges your beliefs are naturally going to be considered by you as negative provocation.

 

[rambo919]

So what is your favourite sub-genre of the christians?

Don't have one, the protestants were closest for the last few centuries. Now things seem to resetting to default and a new church of sorts seems to be close to being born. But that is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

[TysonRoux]

anyone that thinks the catholic church is christian needs to have his head read.

Over time I've learn't that true christians don't resort to that.

 

[rambo919]

But everything that contradicts or challenges your beliefs are naturally going to be considered by you as negative provocation.

Only if the intent is simply for the sake of causing petty arguments. Actual honest contradiction where everyone actually acts like adults is fine.

 

[rambo919]

Over time I've learn't that true christians don't resort to that.

Don't misunderstand, the catholic church even in it's clergy has many true Christians within it, the religion however is utterly corrupt.

 

[TysonRoux]

Don't misunderstand, the catholic church even in it's clergy has many true Christians within it, the religion however is utterly corrupt.

What religion are you, and which ones do you believe are not corrupt?

 

[copacetic]

90% is rather overstating it

It's been nice chatting, and I feel we've made our points for the most part. I do just want to say this was a very much metaphorical statement; I think it's self-evident that the likelihood of a person ascribing to a certain religion (or having no religion) is closely linked to where and when they come from. Less so today, obviously, since the world is becoming a smaller place, and information and ideas can be transmitted at the speed of light anywhere in the globe, but 500 years ago (or some other arbitrary date back in time), I'm almost certain that most people would ascribe to the views of the humans in geographical proximity to them (until, of course, another, stronger geographical cluster decides to educate them...)

 

[rambo919]

It's been nice chatting, and I feel we've made our points for the most part. I do just want to say this was a very much metaphorical statement; I think it's self-evident that the likelihood of a person ascribing to a certain religion (or having no religion) is closely linked to where and when they come from. Less so today, obviously, since the world is becoming a smaller place, and information and ideas can be transmitted at the speed of light anywhere in the globe, but 500 years ago (or some other arbitrary date back in time), I'm almost certain that most people would ascribe to the views of the humans in geographical proximity to them (until, of course, another, stronger geographical cluster decides to educate them...)

To a degree that is true. Hoever as anecdotal as this is I grew up in the NGK and simply left at some point because it saw and felt that I could never support such a obvious fraud. I did almost at one point give up and convert to a form of atheism or agnostism but found that just as much a fraud. Geoography and history is not everything otherwise atheism would never have spread in the first place especially since except in the communist block no one ever forced anyone to be atheist except some modern fanatically atheist parents.

 

[rambo919]

What religion are you, and which ones do you believe are not corrupt?

All current mainline denominations are corrupt to some degree or another, the older the more corrupt probably, the only true faith remains in isolated congregations made from of all of them. Funny thing how the great ecumenical push to create one new forced version actually ended up creating that as well as a separate unorganized resistance that has started integrating but not by any apparent means.

Instead of the church converting the world the world has almost finished converting the church.... as was prophesied funny enough.

 

[TysonRoux]

What religion are you, and which ones do you believe are not corrupt?

All current mainline denominations are corrupt to some degree or another, the older the more corrupt probably, the only true faith remains in isolated congregations made from of all of them. Funny thing how the great ecumenical push to create one new forced version actually ended up creating that as well as a separate unorganized resistance that has started integrating but not by any apparent means.

Instead of the church converting the world the world has almost finished converting the church.... as was prophesied funny enough.

Trust me, I read that a few times but couldn't find the answer to my questions.

What religion are you?

What religion are those isolated congregations?

 

[rambo919]

Trust me, I read that a few times but couldn't find the answer to my questions.

What religion are you?

What religion are those isolated congregations?

I did not think it too cryptic.

I am a Christian, I am not a protestant or catholic or evangelical. I am simply a Christian who recognizes the Church Age is ending. I came out of the NGK for what it matters but I have delved to a point into all denominational strains and at some point will be properly baptised as opposed to the ridiculous sprinkling as a baby called baptism but at this point have no church or congregation I am a member of.

There is no current official organized Christian church worthy of the name that I am aware of, like I said, it's all resetting to default.

 

[Splinter]

Nope I don't use it as a petty insult, I use it as a statement of fact based observation of past behavior.

Depends upon ones perception, not so.

They did not exist before the flood, the are likely descendants of Shem.... also they too have a flood story.

Tell me more about Shem, then?

 

[rambo919]

Tell me more about Shem, then?

Is there a specific question or do you not know who he was?

 

[TysonRoux]

I did not think it too cryptic.

I am a Christian, I am not a protestant or catholic or evangelical. I am simply a Christian who recognizes the Church Age is ending. I came out of the NGK for what it matters but I have delved to a point into all denominational strains and at some point will be properly baptised as opposed to the ridiculous sprinkling as a baby called baptism but at this point have no church or congregation I am a member of.

There is no current official organized Christian church worthy of the name that I am aware of, like I said, it's all resetting to default.

Isn't the baptism symbolic, so why get hung up on the variation in method?

 

[Splinter]

True enough but I only say it when I see someone is only posting to provoke negative responses with no actual desire for positive one's or any investment in honesty.

This I shall take you to task with - anyone who rejects religion comes from an extreme point of honesty. I was brought up being told and preached to that Jesus/god/the spirit was everything. In fact, at a very young age I was always informed that if I did not believe, I was going to hell. For eternity. I will concede that it wasn't a rabid environment, but this is what I got at pre-school, primary school and high school.

I used my mind and decided otherwise.

 

[TysonRoux]

I did not think it too cryptic.

Agreed, not very cryptic, but it didn't honestly answer the questions.

 

[rambo919]

Isn't the baptism symbolic, so why get hung up on the variation in method?

Symbolism only works if you use the correct symbols.... as soon as baptism in church comes up people stop speaking english and suddenly sprinkling is also baptism.

 

[Splinter]

Is there a specific question or do you not know who he was?

Havent a clue who you believe he was.

Much less how he went over to the America's and propagated two very distinct cultures. After the all consuming flood as well.