Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[rambo919]

This I shall take you to task with - anyone who rejects religion comes from an extreme point of honesty. I was brought up being told and preached to that Jesus/god/the spirit was everything. In fact, at a very young age I was always informed that if I did not believe, I was going to hell. For eternity. I will concede that it wasn't a rabid environment, but this is what I got at pre-school, primary school and high school.

I used my mind and decided otherwise.

And what has that got do do with honesty?

 

[Splinter]

And what has that got do do with honesty?

See, this is why you start to get ridiculed.

 

[Splinter]

Only if the intent is simply for the sake of causing petty arguments. Actual honest contradiction where everyone actually acts like adults is fine.

Oy vey....

 

[Splinter]

I agree. There's also no shortage of intelligent people.

I tend to disagree....

 

[rambo919]

Havent a clue who you believe he was.

Much less how he went over to the America's and propagated two very distinct cultures. After the all consuming flood as well.

Noah had three sons:
Ham father of the black tribes
Japheth father of the white tribes
Shem father of the oriental tribes

Shem because of environmental ease seems to have been the most proactive of the lot followed by Ham in spite of environmental hazards. The decendants of Shem spread eastward and pretty much did not stop spreading. Out of interest sake Abraham was a Shemite which automatically means the Israelite tribes were not black....

 

[rambo919]

See, this is why you start to get ridiculed.

No you are either trolling or have a odd bone to pick with religion which very likely comes from an emotional place not a rational one. Otherwise you would not equate religion with dishonesty.

 

[rambo919]

See, this is why you start to get ridiculed.

No I get ridiculed because I refuse to bow down to bullies and it's the only resort they have left to at least appear to not loose face..... or they are simply trolls not bullies.

 

[Splinter]

Noah had three sons:
Ham father of the black tribes
Japheth father of the white tribes
Shem father of the oriental tribes

Shem because of environmental ease seems to have been the most proactive of the lot followed by Ham in spite of environmental hazards. The decendants of Shem spread eastward and pretty much did not stop spreading. Out of interest sake Abraham was a Shemite which automatically means the Israelite tribes were not black....

Ok. So the world was nuked via a flood. Noah then floats back to earth and has 3 sons that populate the whites, the blacks, and the orientals.

Per your own words, Shem was father of the orientals. Which would be those connected via land to the east.

My question is - how did he then cross the Atlantic Ocean to propagate the Inca's and the Indians?

 

[Splinter]

No I get ridiculed because I refuse to bow down to bullies and it's the only resort they have left to at least appear to not loose face..... or they are simply trolls not bullies.

Oh nonsense. Lose what face? See, you are the one with personal slights. You cannot defend an illogical position with logic or reason. If you have faith, then so be it - but do not try and make out you have the higher intellectual stance.

Because you don't.

 

[rambo919]

Ok. So the world was nuked via a flood. Noah then floats back to earth and has 3 sons that populate the whites, the blacks, and the orientals.

Per your own words, Shem was father of the orientals. Which would be those connected via land to the east.

My question is - how did he then cross the Atlantic Ocean to propagate the Inca's and the Indians?

The area is full of landbridges that are currently submerged but only a few meters of water..... if the water lowers a bit you could simply walk accros. The most obvious land bridge is between Asia and North America.

 

[rambo919]

Oh nonsense. Lose what face? See, you are the one with personal slights. You cannot defend an illogical position with logic or reason. If you have faith, then so be it - but do not try and make out you have the higher intellectual stance.

Because you don't.

No I get ridiculed because I refuse to bow down to bullies and it's the only resort they have left to at least appear to not loose face..... or they are simply trolls not bullies.

You have been nothing but antagonistic acting as if I insulted your mother or something and I'm the one being irrational? You are either faking it or taking this strangely personally.

 

[Splinter]

No you are either trolling or have a odd bone to pick with religion which very likely comes from an emotional place not a rational one. Otherwise you would not equate religion with dishonesty.

Good golly. I have just realised you are the trolling one. Smooth

By the way - where did I equate religion with dishonesty?

 

[Splinter]

The area is full of landbridges that are currently submerged but only a few meters of water..... if the water lowers a bit you could simply walk accros. The most obvious land bridge is between Asia and North America.

Ok. Care to show me where these land bridges are? They are just a few meters underwater as you say.

Good thing those cross-Atlantic ships and submarines managed to avoid them all though.

 

[Splinter]

You have been nothing but antagonistic acting as if I insulted your mother or something and I'm the one being irrational? You are either faking it or taking this strangely personally.

What clone are you?

 

[rambo919]

Good golly. I have just realised you are the trolling one. Smooth

By the way - where did I equate religion with dishonesty?

Looking back we might actually have misunderstood each others posts at around #377....

It's late, I'm going to bed, there is no point in this petty argument.

 

[TysonRoux]

Noah had three sons:
Ham father of the black tribes
Japheth father of the white tribes
Shem father of the oriental tribes

Did he have these three with one wife?

Shem because of environmental ease seems to have been the most proactive of the lot followed by Ham in spite of environmental hazards. The decendants of Shem spread eastward and pretty much did not stop spreading. Out of interest sake Abraham was a Shemite which automatically means the Israelite tribes were not black....

What is "environmental ease".

 

[Prawnapple]

Perhaps religion’s most troubling contradiction IMO: God gave us critical thinking skills...but we have to ignore those skills to believe in God.

Another troubling contradiction:
God knows all, is all powerful, transcends time, knows us before we exist, made us in his likeness, etc.
Yet, he holds us morally accountable for our choices and beliefs.

Also:

Omnipotence vs omniscience vs free will.

 

[Splinter]

Looking back we might actually have misunderstood each others posts at around #377....

It's late, I'm going to bed, there is no point in this petty argument.

I actually granted you the courtesy of bothering to go back to look at that post. Nothing to do with our debate.

And it's not petty. I think it is rather enlightening for those who somehow still follow the bible.

 

[Splinter]

It's late, I'm going to bed, there is no point in this petty argument.

Cool. Sleep tight. Maybe when you wake up maybe you will remember and tell us where these "land-bridges" are that you referred to.

 

[Splinter]

Perhaps religion’s most troubling contradiction IMO: God gave us critical thinking skills...but we have to ignore those skills to believe in God.

Another troubling contradiction:
God knows all, is all powerful, transcends time, knows us before we exist, made us in his likeness, etc.
Yet, he holds us morally accountable for our choices and beliefs.

An absolute knock-out of a post.

The only thing I would add to it is, that after holding us morally accountable, and found lacking, we are destined for an eternity of burning in hell.