Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

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Symbolism only works if you use the correct symbols.... as soon as baptism in church comes up people stop speaking english and suddenly sprinkling is also baptism.

do you honestly believe that garbage?

 

[Ponderer]

Why is it that certain/some Atheists are so militant/aggressive?
It does not make any sense to vehemently hate something that does not exist.
Unless of course they somehow "know" that GOD exists, and are desperately trying to "reason" it away so as to justify doing what they want to do.

These militant type Atheists are extremely intolerant towards the religious views/opinions/beliefs of others, and try to quash every/all religious views/opinions/beliefs other than their own.
They have a problem with others having some or other religious view/opinion, but they have no problem imposing their religious opinion/view on others.

And yes, Atheism is purely a religious view/opinion/belief - their argument that it must first be proven to their satisfaction/criteria that GOD exists is k*k.
How about proving that GOD does not exist, huh?

 

[rietrot]

Perhaps religion’s most troubling contradiction IMO: God gave us critical thinking skills...but we have to ignore those skills to believe in God.

Another troubling contradiction:
God knows all, is all powerful, transcends time, knows us before we exist, made us in his likeness, etc.
Yet, he holds us morally accountable for our choices and beliefs.

Also:

Omnipotence vs omniscience vs free will.

Lol no. You can critically think all you like and still believe in God.
I don't see the contradiction in point two or three, Free will is a thing.


The big contradiction is thinking you can think if you don't have free will.

 

[dj2381]

The Bible is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence

The Bible is a collection of old stories and myths that came before it, and this is easy to see by reviewing the similarities between the two.

danielmiessler.com

 

[Prawnapple]

Lol no. You can critically think all you like and still believe in God.
I don't see the contradiction in point two or three, Free will is a thing.

The big contradiction is thinking you can think if you don't have free will.

"Lol no. You can critically think all you like and still believe in God."
- To a point yes, but you'll eventually be stuck in an infinite loop with your theism.

"The big contradiction is thinking you can think if you don't have free will."
- So prove to me that you have free will, or that anyone else has for that matter.

 

[rambo919]

Cool. Sleep tight. Maybe when you wake up maybe you will remember and tell us where these "land-bridges" are that you referred to.

Just google it yourself it's not hard. Also keep in mind that if you believe in "out of africa" you also have to explain how they got there.

 

[rambo919]

I actually granted you the courtesy of bothering to go back to look at that post. Nothing to do with our debate.

And it's not petty. I think it is rather enlightening for those who somehow still follow the bible.

Mate.... I said around there not the specific post.

Also look again at this post you made..... it's petty. Chill.

 

[rambo919]

do you honestly believe that garbage?

So for argument sake a wave is the same as a salute if everyone agrees it means the same?

 

[rambo919]

Did he have these three with one wife?

Only one wife is mentioned. Not sure what your point is.

What is "environmental ease".

The environment in europe and asia was easier to live in and generally not randomly die from disease epidemics. Once the migrations started hitting tropical regions they were forced to stop and expansion slowed. In Africa specifically the death rate was astronomical compared to the rest of the world before modern medicine showed up. West Africa was even called "white man's grave" during the colonial empire era because almost all whites that landed died from disease, the blacks compensated by breeding like crazy rabits.

 

[rietrot]

"The big contradiction is thinking you can think if you don't have free will."
- So prove to me that you have free will, or that anyone else has for that matter.

No.



There done.

 

[noxibox]

Free will is a thing.

The big contradiction is thinking you can think if you don't have free will.

Free will is a thing we assume we have. There's no contradiction because there is no way we can determine whether we have free will.

Why is it that certain/some Atheists are so militant/aggressive?
It does not make any sense to vehemently hate something that does not exist.
Unless of course they somehow "know" that GOD exists, and are desperately trying to "reason" it away so as to justify doing what they want to do.

Militant atheists are more likely aggressively opposed to religion rather than any particular deity. Sometimes that just comes from having had to live under the hegemony of religion.

Perhaps you imagine that questioning the logic of a particular deity's behaviour and demands is hate, rather than what it is which is questioning the validity of the claims made about the deity.

I can equally ask why Christians in the US can't simply practice their religion for themselves and not constantly try to force it down everyone's throats. Stop trying to bring your religion into law. And stop acting like those who aren't adherents are trying to outlaw your religion. Not allowing you to force children to pray at school, put your religious symbols all over schools, force people to swear on some ancient fantasy novel and so on are not outlawing your religion. If you're so confident in the truth of your religion why can't you just practice it quietly? Is it that you somehow know it isn't true?

These militant type Atheists are extremely intolerant towards the religious views/opinions/beliefs of others, and try to quash every/all religious views/opinions/beliefs other than their own.
They have a problem with others having some or other religious view/opinion, but they have no problem imposing their religious opinion/view on others.

They sound like Christians and Muslims. But in truth in general atheists are not making any attempt to impose atheism on anyone. What the religious usually mean when they make that claim is that these secular humanists are preventing them imposing Christianity on everyone, especially by sneaking it into schools. What's wrong with teaching your child religion at home?

Atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack of belief in deities. That's it.

How about proving that GOD does not exist, huh?

Why would they need to? Many do provide reasons for their lack of belief or why they don't think a god needs to exist. But the burden of proof is with those claiming their deities exist and that their particular religious texts are actually messages from said deities.

 

[rietrot]

Free will is a thing we assume we have. There's no contradiction because there is no way we can determine whether we have free will.

Really? What do you think free will is?

The ability to choose, think, and act voluntarily. For many philosophers, to believe in free willis to believe that human beings can be the authors of their own actions and to reject the idea that human actions are determined by external conditions or fate.

I am finding it more and more ridiculous that atheist, supposedly critical thinkers can believe that they are fated.

 

[rambo919]

Free will is a thing we assume we have. There's no contradiction because there is no way we can determine whether we have free will.

Proving free will is easy. If you have a circumstance where you are forced to do one thing but for whatever reason choose to do the opposite you have exercised free will.

As example martyrdom or survival..... in a deterministic world there would be no martyrs unless death was materially superior to survival.

Militant atheists are more likely aggressively opposed to religion rather than any particular deity. Sometimes that just comes from having had to live under the hegemony of religion.

Perhaps you imagine that questioning the logic of a particular deity's behaviour and demands is hate, rather than what it is which is questioning the validity of the claims made about the deity.

Questioning is fine, it's the bile and the way the supposed questioning is done that's the problem

I can equally ask why Christians in the US can't simply practice their religion for themselves and not constantly try to force it down everyone's throats. Stop trying to bring your religion into law. And stop acting like those who aren't adherents are trying to outlaw your religion. Not allowing you to force children to pray at school, put your religious symbols all over schools, force people to swear on some ancient fantasy novel and so on are not outlawing your religion. If you're so confident in the truth of your religion why can't you just practice it quietly? Is it that you somehow know it isn't true?

That has more to do with Americans being American, they believe in the myth that America was founded as a Christian nation and should go back to it's foundations.

They sound like Christians and Muslims. But in truth in general atheists are not making any attempt to impose atheism on anyone. What the religious usually mean when they make that claim is that these secular humanists are preventing them imposing Christianity on everyone, especially by sneaking it into schools. What's wrong with teaching your child religion at home?

What's wrong with teaching your child atheism at home?

Atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack of belief in deities. That's it.

It's a religious lack of belief in traditional deities, it effectively elevates humanity to the level of diety in practice. Increasingly it's the supplantation of the "superstitious past" with the "transhuman future".

Why would they need to? Many do provide reasons for their lack of belief or why they don't think a god needs to exist. But the burden of proof is with those claiming their deities exist and that their particular religious texts are actually messages from said deities.

True enough, though it is rather illogical to firmly believe something immaterial does not exist simply because it cannot be materially proven. Agnostatism is a far more logical stance than atheism.

 

[TysonRoux]

Only one wife is mentioned. Not sure what your point is.

You don't find it strange, or impossible for one couple to give birth to kids of three different races?

 

[Prawnapple]

Proving free will is easy. If you have a circumstance where you are forced to do one thing but for whatever reason choose to do the opposite you have exercised free will.

As example martyrdom or survival..... in a deterministic world there would be no martyrs unless death was materially superior to survival.


Questioning is fine, it's the bile and the way the supposed questioning is done that's the problem


That has more to do with Americans being American, they believe in the myth that America was founded as a Christian nation and should go back to it's foundations.


What's wrong with teaching your child atheism at home?


It's a religious lack of belief in traditional deities, it effectively elevates humanity to the level of diety in practice. Increasingly it's the supplantation of the "superstitious past" with the "transhuman future".


True enough, though it is rather illogical to firmly believe something immaterial does not exist simply because it cannot be materially proven. Agnostatism is a far more logical stance than atheism.

Proving free will is easy. If you have a circumstance where you are forced to do one thing but for whatever reason choose to do the opposite you have exercised free will.

That's not the definition of free will, nor how it works. Most people think it works like this, but it doesn't.

As example martyrdom or survival..... in a deterministic world there would be no martyrs unless death was materially superior to survival.

Nope, not correct.

That has more to do with Americans being American, they believe in the myth that America was founded as a Christian nation and should go back to it's foundations.

Nope, the NG kerk down the road from me think it's OK to put crosses up wherever the **** they please.

What's wrong with teaching your child atheism at home?

You don't "teach" atheism. You teach critical thinking.

True enough, though it is rather illogical to firmly believe something immaterial does not exist simply because it cannot be materially proven. Agnostatism is a far more logical stance than atheism.

What are you being agnostics in regards to? If you were agnostic, I would ask you: Do you believe in god, yes or no? Boom. You are no longer simply, "agnostic".

 

[rambo919]

That's not the definition of free will, nor how it works. Most people think it works like this, but it doesn't.
Nope, not correct.

If you say so

Nope, the NG kerk down the road from me think it's OK to put crosses up wherever the **** they please.

So? Get an atheist symbol and place it everywhere you please. Plenty of pantagrams all over the place already can I complain about them?

You don't "teach" atheism. You teach critical thinking.

Except atheism and critical thinking are two seperate things.... yes some children get taught atheism.

What are you being agnostics in regards to? If you were agnostic, I would ask you: Do you believe in god, yes or no? Boom. You are no longer simply, "agnostic".

Why assume there are only two options? Many people admit they don't know so can't choose either yes or no.

 

[rambo919]

You don't find it strange, or impossible for one couple to give birth to kids of three different races?

Why would it be strange to have grandkids of three different races? Happens here in SA all the time.

Look again I never said the sons were of three different races I said they fathered three different macro races. Why assume that their wives were all of the same race?

 

[Splinter]

Just google it yourself it's not hard. Also keep in mind that if you believe in "out of africa" you also have to explain how they got there.

No dude - you are the one making the claim of land bridges available to Shem.

The land bridges science knows of were millions of years before your god pitched up....

 

[Splinter]

Mate.... I said around there not the specific post.

Also look again at this post you made..... it's petty. Chill.

No its not

 

[rambo919]

No dude - you are the one making the claim of land bridges available to Shem.

The land bridges science knows of were millions of years before your god pitched up....

It's called google, don't believe me, investigate opposite opinions yourself.