Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

Splinter

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Seriously? You don't see the bias there? You don't see how someone with that kind of attitude will perhaps push their children strongly to also believe it?

Actually, this would be the perfect environment for someone to choose to join a religion. No indoctrination, merely enquiry, investigation and adoption of a religion should one choose this. Free will, neh.
 

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It made me an atheist.
So you switched to a different religion?
You used to believe GOD exists, now you believe GOD does not exist?
And don't try and tell me that Atheism is not a religious belief when it is clearly and undeniably just that.
 

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So you switched to a different religion?
You used to believe GOD exists, now you believe GOD does not exist?
And don't try and tell me that Atheism is not a religious belief when it is clearly and undeniably just that.

Serious question, how old are you? This is childish logic.
 

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Actually, this would be the perfect environment for someone to choose to join a religion. No indoctrination, merely enquiry, investigation and adoption of a religion should one choose this. Free will, neh.
No such "perfect environment" exists except when there are no other people around to ever influence you in any way. Pure animalism is the only state that has no religion.
 

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No such "perfect environment" exists except when there are no other people around to ever influence you in any way. Pure animalism is the only state that has no religion.

What are you saying - that indoctrination is needed for religion to survive?
 

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So you switched to a different religion?
You used to believe GOD exists, now you believe GOD does not exist?
And don't try and tell me that Atheism is not a religious belief when it is clearly and undeniably just that.

Oh please. Stop with that tired old turd.

I'm still waiting for your promise that you read the whole book. Why are you avoiding answering the question?
 

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No that would not prove the existence of free will. It would only prove that either we have free will or the illusion of free will. We would not be able to distinguish one from the other. Even the fact that I treat the world as though I and others can make choices could be nothing more than a predetermined action over which I have no actual control. How would I be able to tell?
Can/has it be proved that free will does not exist?
Can/has it be proved that everything is exactly predetermined?

Oh the comfort that determinism provides - to do as you please without being accountable.
 

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I wouldn't say its needed to survive, but without indoctrination of children, the numbers would be drastically lower.

Agreed. Some power hungry nut job will always be around trying to turn a cult into a religion. But I was just tripping Rambo up on his own words.
 

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What are you saying - that indoctrination is needed for religion to survive?
I'm saying that people are hard-wired to be religious, If none exists or an old one is thrown away in favour what is called atheism then a new religion forms spontaneously. 3rd wave feminist activists are obviously religious fanatics for example.
 

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I wouldn't say its needed to survive, but without indoctrination of children, the numbers would be drastically lower.
Same for atheism. Public schools and universities are centres for atheist indoctrination.
 

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Does not change the fact that it's Christians being attacked with Jewish books..... it makes no sense to specifically attack Christians and not Jews unless the attacks are disingenuous.
It does when one understands cultural context.

And yet the most virulent attacks centre on the Old Testament not the New.
Even if that is the case, and it has by no means been demonstrated, it again makes perfect sense since Christians rely heavily on convenient passages from those older books in imposing their version of morality on everyone. There is really nothing stopping Christianity from jettisoning those books. But as long as they continue to retain them, use them and be the primary religion in the culture, then they'll be open to being criticised based on those beliefs.

It's funny how Christians get all bent out of shape over Muslims trying to foist their religion on everyone, but then cry persecution when people object to them trying to do the same thing. Or they go to other countries to try to spread their religion, then talk about the hostility they encountered as though they aren't equally hostile to other religions.

And yet it is the practical goal, whether it's adherents realize it or not. They will never rest until Christianity is dead.
Neither of those claims is demonstrably true.

The "moderate Christians" you speak of quarantined in their homes
No-one is trying to quarantine them in their home.

If it is state institutions then yes fine, banish all religion (equally with no special exemptions) if you need to. But if an institution is in any way private it's a different story.
Private institutions like employers should not be exempt. It's not acceptable to force workers to follow your religion. Christians would soon be whining loudly if some atheist employer demanded their employees renounce their religion. I say no to both, not in a world where employment options are often very limited.

Same goes for private schools. Religion should be kept out. Don't like it then don't run a school.

No you don't get it probably. There never has been a official organized religion that can be called Christianity.
There either exists a set of beliefs called Christianity or there doesn't. If they exist, then they can be wrong, contrary to the intentions of the deity. In other words is Christianity true? It's followers assume so, but they can quite easily be entirely wrong. Even if this supernatural entity exists it may make absolutely no difference what religion a person follows or whether they even believe. It's an assumption, based on some texts written by humans, that it matters.

Real Christianity answers to no earthly organization.
I'm suggesting it answers to no-one because the deity in question never intended for it to exist. It is one of those mistakes.
 

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Don't engage with him on this. He keeps on bringing it up in these threads. To deflect mostly, I think.

Im not going to, i will however point out that he has the mental facilities of a prepubescent teen on this.
 
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