Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[Splinter]

I'm saying that people are hard-wired to be religious, If none exists or an old one is thrown away in favour what is called atheism then a new religion forms spontaneously. 3rd wave feminist activists are obviously religious fanatics for example.

I would say low intelligence plus lack of knowledge predisposes people to superstitious beliefs.

Knowledge plus intellect squashes "spontaneous" religions.

 

[Splinter]

Same for atheism. Public schools and universities are centres for atheist indoctrination.

Poppycock.

 

[Splinter]

Im not going to, i will however point out that he has the mental facilities of a prepubescent teen on this.

Hey, I'm in total agreement with you there . It verges on hysteria.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Same for atheism. Public schools and universities are centres for atheist indoctrination.

That is a load of twaddle.... They are places of education...

 

[saturnz]

That is a load of twaddle.... They are places of education...

these days they are at best training facilities for people to gain some sort of employment

 

[noxibox]

I'm saying that people are hard-wired to be religious, If none exists or an old one is thrown away in favour what is called atheism then a new religion forms spontaneously. 3rd wave feminist activists are obviously religious fanatics for example.

They may indeed be. Although there are clearly many of us that simply lack this hard-wiring or it doesn't work as strongly as it does in some people. But it doesn't really help knowing that this hard-wiring exists, even if it exists in everyone. It would still leave the question of what religion to follow. People used to generally just follow whatever they were taught growing up. It was hardly the case that each person evaluated all the worlds religions dispassionately and then selected the one they found the most convincing.

Same for atheism. Public schools and universities are centres for atheist indoctrination.

Again this is not reality. It is amazing that anyone could even make this claim about universities with a straight face. No-one at university gives the slightest damn about your religion and they certainly don't spend time trying to convince you to become an atheist. And certainly no-one is teaching atheism in schools.

What people really mean when they claim atheist indoctrination is going on is that they are being blocked from using schools and universities to promote their preferred religion. For the people who make the claim in the US that religion will Christianity.

 

[rambo919]

It does when one understands cultural context.

Because of the inevitable bile involved I have to disagree.

Even if that is the case, and it has by no means been demonstrated, it again makes perfect sense since Christians rely heavily on convenient passages from those older books in imposing their version of morality on everyone. There is really nothing stopping Christianity from jettisoning those books. But as long as they continue to retain them, use them and be the primary religion in the culture, then they'll be open to being criticised based on those beliefs.

I have to respectfully call that BS. The OT is the foundation of the NT, throw it away and you get a hippy new age religion.

It's funny how Christians get all bent out of shape over Muslims trying to foist their religion on everyone, but then cry persecution when people object to them trying to do the same thing. Or they go to other countries to try to spread their religion, then talk about the hostility they encountered as though they aren't equally hostile to other religions.

It's not that they try to spread their religion, no one cares about that. It's HOW they spread their religion that's the problem. Violence, intimidation, population replacement... just talking to people cannot be compared to that.

Neither of those claims is demonstrably true.

Then you have not looked, the results are telling enough.

No-one is trying to quarantine them in their home.

I did not say them, I said their religion.

Private institutions like employers should not be exempt. It's not acceptable to force workers to follow your religion. Christians would soon be whining loudly if some atheist employer demanded their employees renounce their religion. I say no to both, not in a world where employment options are often very limited.

Same goes for private schools. Religion should be kept out. Don't like it then don't run a school.

Like I said, public institutions are fine as long as all religions are respectfully kept out without mockery. Private schools though for example should not need to give up their traditionally Christian culture if they have one.

There either exists a set of beliefs called Christianity or there doesn't. If they exist, then they can be wrong, contrary to the intentions of the deity. In other words is Christianity true? It's followers assume so, but they can quite easily be entirely wrong. Even if this supernatural entity exists it may make absolutely no difference what religion a person follows or whether they even believe. It's an assumption, based on some texts written by humans, that it matters.

I'm suggesting it answers to no-one because the deity in question never intended for it to exist. It is one of those mistakes.

Again you are not getting it. There is a VAST difference between real Christianity and the various organized sub-religions that get called Christianity. The deity in question never meant for them to exist, in fact Jesus specifically condemned "the traditions of men".

Organized Religion does not equal Religion. The whole of Christianity is contained within the Bible and not in any of the extra "declarations of faith" or "constitutions" or extra holy books. Christianity answers directly to Jesus and yes has obviously failed Him miserably.

 

[daveza]

How is it "Imposing" to publically support a religion in it's relatively historical area?

When you force others to live by the laws of your belief that is imposing your religion.

 

[Unhappy438]

There is nothing childish about the logic.

You're actually right, for there to be something childish about the logic there would actually need to be logic there in the first place.

 

[rambo919]

That is a load of twaddle.... They are places of education...

And where do you think the communists did most of their indonctrination? In public schools.

 

[saturnz]

When you force others to live by the laws of your belief that is imposing your religion.

like taxation?

 

[Cray]

Same for atheism. Public schools and universities are centres for atheist indoctrination.

Really, and you know this because of your extensive research on the subject or is this just the latest conspiracy theory of some right-wing commentator..?

 

[rambo919]

Well this thread has been fun, about as productive as it could ever have been I guess.... have fun with the weekend and self-validation.

 

[Ponderer]

Im not going to, i will however point out that he has the mental facilities of a prepubescent teen on this.

Don't just say the logic is childish.
Point it out - show it (if you can).
I will understand if you cannot do so.

 

[Tokolotshe]

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Indeed. Stalin agrees.

/Edit: Mao also nods ...

 

[Ponderer]

I would say low intelligence plus lack of knowledge predisposes people to superstitious beliefs.

Knowledge plus intellect squashes "spontaneous" religions.

Low intelligence also explains why some people believe the crap Dawkins spouts.

 

[ToxicBunny]

And where do you think the communists did most of their indonctrination? In public schools.

Wow, the leaps of "logic"you take to justify a standpoint are mindboggling

 

[ToxicBunny]

Don't just say the logic is childish.
Point it out - show it (if you can).
I will understand if you cannot do so.

Nah, first you have to show what stuff in Dawkins book is crap and why you think its crap.

 

[Unhappy438]

Don't just say the logic is childish.
Point it out - show it (if you can).
I will understand if you cannot do so.

First you need to provide a statement that contains logic.

 

[Tokolotshe]

So you switched to a different religion?
You used to believe GOD exists, now you believe GOD does not exist?
And don't try and tell me that Atheism is not a religious belief when it is clearly and undeniably just that.

I'm agreeing with you here. Anybody trying to deny it just needs to look at how vehemently each side defends his view. All the wasted time and energy. Why, 26 pages later ...