Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[Splinter]

Your reasoning that a Christian is a 99% Atheist is absurd.

Since when do you bother with facts or maths?

 

[SaiyanZ]

Your reasoning that a Christian is a 99% Atheist is absurd.

The absurdity is only true if your claim that non-belief or Atheism is a religion. So it's absurd only if your claims about Atheism are absurd.

I agree it is absurd which makes what you claim wrong.

 

[Splinter]

Is not believing in Santa a religion?

I look forward @Ponderer 's response to this.

 

[Temujin]

You clearly do not understand the "argument from incredulity" logical fallacy.
You are either incapable of understanding it, or you refuse to understand it.
I suspect you simply don't want to understand it.

Your divine fallacy fails you

 

[Ponderer]

Is not believing in Santa a religion?

"Not believing that Santa exists" is in fact "believing that Santa does not exist".
There is no such thing is "not-believe" - its not possible to "not-believe".
A "not-believe" is in fact "to believe" that something is not true.

Get it?

 

[Moosedrool]

"Not believing that Santa exists" is in fact "believing that Santa does not exist".
There is no such thing is "not-believe" - its not possible to "not-believe".
A "not-believe" is in fact "to believe" that something is not true.

Get it?

So is it a religion?

 

[Temujin]

So is it a religion?

 

[Ponderer]

Oh look - another Techne insult based on his ire at high intelligence being a can of Doom towards believing in a religion...

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

BTW - where be this high intelligence you are referring to?
SJW-like responses/reasoning is far removed from high intelligence.

 

[Unhappy438]

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

Do you think this is like beetlejuice where you can just say it until its true?

 

[rietrot]

Is not believing in Santa a religion?

It depends how much time you spend on the Internet telling people just how much you don't believe in Satan. If there's ritual attached to your non believe, you might be entering the danger zone.

 

[Temujin]

Do you think this is like beetlejuice where you can just say it until its true?

You believe beetlejuice exists Whens beetlejuicemas?

 

[SaiyanZ]

I think the interesting thing about discussion like this is why the Muslims and Christians are never at each others throats. It's always atheists that are the devil but the funny thing is that Christians and Muslims have more in common with Atheists than with each other.

Christians don't believe in a Muslim God. Just like Atheists.
Muslims don't believe in a Christian God. Just like Atheists.
Christians believe in Christian God. Not like Atheists. Not like Muslims.
Muslims believe in Muslim God. Not like Atheists. Not like Christians.

So from this short list, Christians and Muslims have 1 thing in common with Atheists but nothing in common with each other. The more Gods and religions you add to the list, the more things in common each of these religions will have with Atheists.

 

[Prawnapple]

Most of us are pretty humble and really not in the mood to argue about it as we find it pointless and the arguments illogical. Most religious types go with the comfort zone thing "If there ain't, no harm done, if there is, I win" without realizing the harm done by segregating themselves from other parts of the population in one form or another.

In South Africa, the worst that happens to us is we are no longer invited to certain "friends" and family gatherings and when we do meet the most in depth conversations we would have revolve around the weather. Rest of the world?...

Once you have kids you will realise how religion is indoctrinated from a very early age. We are not religious ourselves as parents, but our 6 year old knows all the basics of the Christian religion. This comes from creche, pre-primary, school and friends mostly. Grandparents will enforce the beliefs every now and then. Sometimes we as parents do as well without noticing. Because they need to understand "why" certain behaviour is bad, why grandpa died and where he is now, or why he needs to be good. Often the religious framework gets in so early it is easiest to just build around that.

He often asks random questions about what he heard at school etc. We just quickly tell him and leave it. He can decide for himself when he is older. But it is uncanning the similarities between religion and things like the tooth fairy, Santa, Easter bunny etc in kids.

Personally I think it's BS that religious folk should be able to even UTTER the word God or Allah or religion or anything of the like to a child. Especially in a place of learning. This literally has to stop. Teaching children about religion and or gods from the point of "these things exist and you should probably believe in it" should not be allowed as it's literally child abuse. (literally) - Don't allow people to abuse your kids.

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

No, atheism is a LACK of belief in a god or gods due to a LACK of evidence for such a thing. It's not, "I don't believe that god exists", it's "I have (there is) no evidence for such a claim".

 

[Arksun]

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

Yeah... and not collecting stamps is totally a hobby.

Your reasoning that a Christian is a 99% Atheist is absurd.

If you look at how many thousands of gods humanity has made up in its existence on the planet so far, and according to your own logic, non-belief is belief, the fact that atheists only believe in one less god than you do.. not really that absurd.

 

[Moosedrool]

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

Thank you for clarifying your intent to try and make atheism a religion by affirming the consequent with the "not believing is believing that something is not" argument. (which is actually also wrong).

Attempt no 3. So by your definition is not believing in Santa a religion?

 

[Unhappy438]

You believe beetlejuice exists Whens beetlejuicemas?

You mean you dont? Guess that makes you beetleligious.

 

[Unhappy438]

It depends how much time you spend on the Internet telling people just how much you don't believe in Satan. If there's ritual attached to your non believe, you might be entering the danger zone.

Why you bringing Satan into this?

 

[Arksun]

Thank you for clarifying your intent to try and make atheism a religion by affirming the consequent with the "not believing is believing that something is not" argument. (which is actually also wrong).

That's something I've noticed people from almost all religions do. It's easy for someone from one religion to debate a person from another religion, but when it comes to defending their religion to someone who doesn't subscribe to any religion, they don't know what to do. So they try and define not having a religion as a religion.

 

[Splinter]

Atheists should mind the fact that Atheism is a (religious) belief.

BTW - where be this high intelligence you are referring to?
SJW-like responses/reasoning is far removed from high intelligence.

Certain members here should mind the fact that, no matter how often they repeat something that is ridiculous and untrue, this does not make it true.

 

[rietrot]

I think the interesting thing about discussion like this is why the Muslims and Christians are never at each others throats. It's always atheists that are the devil but the funny thing is that Christians and Muslims have more in common with Atheists than with each other.

Christians don't believe in a Muslim God. Just like Atheists.
Muslims don't believe in a Christian God. Just like Atheists.
Christians believe in Christian God. Not like Atheists. Not like Muslims.
Muslims believe in Muslim God. Not like Atheists. Not like Christians.

So from this short list, Christians and Muslims have 1 thing in common with Atheists but nothing in common with each other. The more Gods and religions you add to the list, the more things in common each of these religions will have with Atheists.

Your list is wrong/incomplete.

Both are theist, not to mention they are both a Abrahamic religion.

The argument there is who's story is more correct. Not that the entire thing is BS.