Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[nightjar]

Sadly, not any time soon imo... the world will eventually be taken over by islam and plunged into another dark age for centuries and taking the world back in time centuries. There is no stopping that

The goal of Islam is a world controlled by Sharia law but nobody in the West seems to appreciate the consequences.
Take the UK with a population of 65 million.......
All homosexuals (approx 3%) would have to be killed.
All atheists (approx 53%) would have to be killed.
The pig, liquor & gambling industries - plus exports and supporting industries would vanish.
Libraries would be burned because anything not in the Quran is not needed.
Women would become half the value of a man.
Dogs would vanish.

 

[Temujin]

I don't believe that but maybe because I have Muslim friends, both ex and current.

People aren't the problem, its the religion. I see within the next 200 years or so will start seeing sharia law in eu for example, its purely about numbers... the rest are just being outbread, its simple as that, eventually places like sweden, germany etc will have majority populations all following islam, and majority rules, and so it goes just like catholics and christians messed everything up before.

Edit: just to add, I often wonder how far along humanity would be had it not been for religions stomping on people for centuries, sitting typing here on the internet could have happened a few hundred year ago /shrug

 

[AstroTurf]

People aren't the problem, its the religion. I see within the next 200 years or so will start seeing sharia law in eu for example, its purely about numbers... the rest are just being outbread, its simple as that, eventually places like sweden, germany etc will have majority populations all following islam, and majority rules, and so it goes just like catholics and christians messed everything up before.

I doubt religion will last that long

 

[SaiyanZ]

I doubt religion will last that long

My anecdotal evidence suggests that as long as there is cancer there will be religion. Two people I knew personally were normal until they got cancer, then they got seriously religious out of nowhere. Like posting religious memes on Facebook daily serious.

It's like religious preachers are waiting at hospitals to prey on people with cancer and convert them to religion.

Edit: Oh, there was another guy I knew who wrote off his brand new car on the first day (before he even had insurance on it) and suddenly got seriously religious as well. So might not just be cancer related. Just people with lots of worries who get taken for a ride.

 

[daveza]

The goal of Islam is a world controlled by Sharia law but nobody in the West seems to appreciate the consequences.
Take the UK with a population of 65 million.......
All homosexuals (approx 3%) would have to be killed.
All atheists (approx 53%) would have to be killed.
The pig, liquor & gambling industries - plus exports and supporting industries would vanish.
Libraries would be burned because anything not in the Quran is not needed.
Women would become half the value of a man.
Dogs would vanish.

If christians also followed their rules it could be just as bad.

 

[Tokolotshe]

If christians also followed their rules it could be just as bad.

Old or new testament rules. Asking for a friend ...

 

[daveza]

Old or new testament rules. Asking for a friend ...

The New Testament is not without rules.

Gouge Out Your Eyeball

: Matthew 5:29 New Living Translation

So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away.

Cut Off Your Own Hand: Matthew 5:30 New Living Translation

And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.

Do Not Marry a Divorced Woman: Matthew 5:32 NASB

Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

We would have a world filled with one-eyed, one-handed adulterers.


Edit: Actually, there wuld be no one-eyed, one-handed adulterers because we would have had to kill all of them.

 

[EADC]

My anecdotal evidence suggests that as long as there is cancer there will be religion. Two people I knew personally were normal until they got cancer, then they got seriously religious out of nowhere. Like posting religious memes on Facebook daily serious.

It's like religious preachers are waiting at hospitals to prey on people with cancer and convert them to religion.

That's called hedging your bets

 

[EADC]

So since most of this is what you believe not what you can prove.

My belief is that yeah maybe the **** that happened was true God speaking to people and the like but we don't see any of it these days because God has ****ed off he is done with us moved on.

Yeah I stole this from Supernatural sue me.

 

[Tokolotshe]

The New Testament is not without rules.

We would have a world filled with one-eyed, one-handed adulterers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:30
So if I say "go to hell", it means I believe in the devil? (still) asking for a friend ...

 

[Techne]

General response to the theists, many, many holds barred...

The Oxford Dictionary defines religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Your mental gymnastics are ridiculous, hilarious and ultimately disappoint me in that someone out there is taking you for a ride and likely taking your hard earned money for what is essentially snake oil.

I don't think any religious people care what you think. Arrogance, ignorance and narcissism like this likely drive people to want to become more religious .

I understand that it is mostly indoctrination and as my wife pointed out to me earlier in the day (strangely enough on a different topic) likely comes from the fact that you yourselves are slowly losing faith in fantasy and questioning your belief systems simply due to the slow evolution of humanity caused by the current deluge of objective thinking and factual based reasoning.

One day you will figure out how atheism ultimately undercuts and basically destroys objective thinking and factual based reasoning.

There is more information freely available today than ever before in the history of mankind, it can be overwhelming at times just how much data there is to absorb and I don't mind that religion still roams the world, most of my elders are religious and so are many of my friends, the same can easily be said about the change in clothing and makeup over the centuries, going from wearing what is essentially plastic explosives and lead paint while using arsenic coated wallpapers and monoxide saturated bathing environments to what we have today in under a century tells me that the cancer that is religion will also soon pass.

Theism is segregation and soon enough this too shall end.

Anyway, there are some atheist thoughts put in a prophet like manner so that you can more easily digest them, just don't try find a church where you can drink the coolaid because the IRS won't give atheists any tax breaks...

Tell that to all the segregated atheist movements. I don't think anybody is looking to atheism to unite people. Besides, atheists seem like a miserable bunch compared to religious people. Bit of a PR problem there.

 

[Ponderer]

You're right in a way, that the belief in something doesn't make it a religious belief.

The belief in the existence and the worship of a god makes it a religious belief.

Let's say that people believe that two gods exist, one called Dom, the other called Kop. If Kop doesn't have any worshippers, then the Kop religion doesn'’t exist. So the belief in the existence of Kop isn’t a religious belief. If the god Dom has worshippers then Dom becomes a religion, thus making the belief in and worship of Dom a religious belief.

The "religious" tag/part (of "religious belief") is arbitrary.
The point is that Atheism is purely a belief.

Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD exists?
No - its a belief.
Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD does not exist?
No - its a belief.
Is that belief a religious belief?
No matter how that belief is labelled, it does not change the fact that it's a belief.

 

[rietrot]

My anecdotal evidence suggests that as long as there is cancer there will be religion. Two people I knew personally were normal until they got cancer, then they got seriously religious out of nowhere. Like posting religious memes on Facebook daily serious.

It's like religious preachers are waiting at hospitals to prey on people with cancer and convert them to religion.

Edit: Oh, there was another guy I knew who wrote off his brand new car on the first day (before he even had insurance on it) and suddenly got seriously religious as well. So might not just be cancer related. Just people with lots of worries who get taken for a ride.

Why is religioun a problem for you?

 

[EADC]

Why is religioun a problem for you?

Because religion is a man made concept under the pretense of being divine.

It's a Ponzi scheme like no other

 

[rietrot]

If christians also followed their rules it could be just as bad.

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Well yes that's just horrible.

 

[rietrot]

Because religion is a man made concept under the pretense of being divine.

It's a Ponzi scheme like no other

Lol. Everything is a man made concept. Culture and civilisation are man made concepts.

Nobody is forcing you to give any money, its all voluntary.

 

[EADC]

Lol. Everything is a man made concept. Culture and civilisation are man made concepts.

Nobody is forcing you to give any money, its all voluntary.

Neither of those are pretending to have some sort of prize at the end of the line and if you don't toe the line you go to the bad place.

Oh have they stopped sending the money bucket around at church?

 

[Ponderer]

Neither of those are pretending to have some sort of prize at the end of the line and if you don't toe the line you go to the bad place.

Oh have they stopped sending the money bucket around at church?

Why is there a "Donate" button on the menu of the "atheists.org" website?

 

[rietrot]

Neither of those are pretending to have some sort of prize at the end of the line and if you don't toe the line you go to the bad place.

Oh have they stopped sending the money bucket around at church?

It's still all voluntary. You don't have to collect your price at the end if you don't want it. You don't even have to go to church or throw a few rands in the bucket. The church I went to stopped that years ago, they prefer you sign a debit order, or do a eft. It's way more profitable than the hand full of change they can collect on a sunday.

Religion is still the cornerstone of civilisation and I don't see that you have something better.

 

[Temujin]

The "religious" tag/part (of "religious belief") is arbitrary.
The point is that Atheism is purely a belief.

Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD exists?
No - its a belief.
Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD does not exist?
No - its a belief.
Is that belief a religious belief?
No matter how that belief is labelled, it does not change the fact that it's a belief.

This crap again... you can't prove something that doesn't exist doesn't exist. Its up to you to provide evidence for existence. The fact you are unable to is evidence of non existence. Ie, the evidence of non existence is your inability to prove existence