Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[Temujin]

If there is both places would be hell. There would be massive overpopulation or heaven would need to be so massive that you wouldn't be able to find your friends/family. How do you fit billions of people in one place and be able to know where everyone is? There would need to be a very sophisticated home affairs system and everyone would need to be tagged so that they can be found if someone wants to see them again. Or people would need to stay where they are told if they don't want the tags. Sounds like a prison.

Na, its easy, theres a leaflet and a bunch of reps

 

[ToxicBunny]

Everyone is free to choose to believe what/who they want.
The point is that Atheism is a belief, and is not unlike any other ("religious") belief.
An Atheist is as much a "believer" as any other "believer".

By attaching "Religious" to it, you are wrong.

 

[AstroTurf]

Everyone is free to choose to believe what/who they want.
The point is that Atheism is a belief, and is not unlike any other ("religious") belief.
An Atheist is as much a "believer" as any other "believer".

 

[Ancalagon]

Yes because whenever something about nature becomes measurable God sneakily avoids it. Hence the firmament joke.

Sneaky God.

WIth His Noodly Appendage.

All of you sinful unbelievers will suffer the wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. He will cover you in boiling hot Neopolitan sauce and then make you eat soggy tuna pasta.

RAmen.

 

[ToxicBunny]

If there is, both places would be hell. There would be massive overpopulation or heaven would need to be so massive that you wouldn't be able to find your friends/family. How do you fit billions of people in one place and be able to know where everyone is? There would need to be a very sophisticated home affairs system and everyone would need to be tagged so that they can be found if someone wants to see them again. Or people would need to stay where they are told if they don't want the tags. Sounds like a prison.

This is potentially actually a very interesting thought experiment.

Assuming the figure of 100 billion or so people have lived and died so far, and assuming only 20% get into heaven, the population is already at 20 billion people. That is a fsckoff big place and would be somewhat unpleasant to exist in... Hell would be worse of course.

 

[AstroTurf]

This is potentially actually a very interesting thought experiment.

Assuming the figure of 100 billion or so people have lived and died so far, and assuming only 20% get into heaven, the population is already at 20 billion people. That is a fsckoff big place and would be somewhat unpleasant to exist in... Hell would be worse of course.

Depending on which version of Christianity specifically...

 

[Temujin]

This is potentially actually a very interesting thought experiment.

Assuming the figure of 100 billion or so people have lived and died so far, and assuming only 20% get into heaven, the population is already at 20 billion people. That is a fsckoff big place and would be somewhat unpleasant to exist in... Hell would be worse of course.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Depending on which version of Christianity specifically...

Well yes, but I'm being generic and assuming all Christians and Jews and maybe even Muslims get in since they all believe in roughly the same deity, and he's apparently a nice guy like that.

 

[Ponderer]

Believing everything Dawkins and his ilk says is just as dangerous/naive as believing everything any other person says.

 

[ToxicBunny]

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Gawd damnit... if he's narrating Hell then I would rather be in Heaven.

 

[AstroTurf]

Well yes, but I'm being generic and assuming all Christians and Jews and maybe even Muslims get in since they all believe in roughly the same deity, and he's apparently a nice guy like that.

Also, are Heaven, Paradise, Moksha and Nirvana segregated?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Also, are Heaven, Paradise, Moksha and Nirvana segregated?

Again, interesting question. If they aren't then its even more crowded... if they are, then who is fighting for the removal of this religious Apartheid.

 

[SaiyanZ]

This is potentially actually a very interesting thought experiment.

Assuming the figure of 100 billion or so people have lived and died so far, and assuming only 20% get into heaven, the population is already at 20 billion people. That is a fsckoff big place and would be somewhat unpleasant to exist in... Hell would be worse of course.

There's also a lot of other things to ponder. Like the queues just to get in. There are currently over 100 people dying every minute of the day on earth and this number is increasing every year. Those queues at the pearly gates must be massive and growing exponentially if people are being judged one at a time like usually depicted. You could spend decades waiting to get in if they haven't improved their tech. Or it could be like one of those alien movies where people are dumped into plots like sheep by the hundreds and sorted by machines for processing. Even that tech won't be able to keep up with the rate of deaths though.

Also stuff like how do people get around in heaven. Apparently you leave behind all earthly possessions so no cars or vehicles of any kind. All you have is that white gown. Imagine the logistics just getting to your friends/family, even when you know where they are in heaven, on foot. Like walking halfway across the world barefoot.

 

[noxibox]

My anecdotal evidence suggests that as long as there is cancer there will be religion. Two people I knew personally were normal until they got cancer, then they got seriously religious out of nowhere. Like posting religious memes on Facebook daily serious.

It's like religious preachers are waiting at hospitals to prey on people with cancer and convert them to religion.

Edit: Oh, there was another guy I knew who wrote off his brand new car on the first day (before he even had insurance on it) and suddenly got seriously religious as well. So might not just be cancer related. Just people with lots of worries who get taken for a ride.

I don't know if it is calculated or not, but they do seem to home in on the weak, the vulnerable, those without hope. It's a common thing in religions looking for followers.

If christians also followed their rules it could be just as bad.

I think it all comes down to what a religion's followers choose to cherry-pick from their religious texts and how they choose to interpret it. It would take in-depth analysis to determine whether the Bible or Quran advocates more violence.

 

[noxibox]

"Eventually when people die and there is no heaven, if they could speak they would just say, 'oh ****, heaven must have been figurative as well'."
Maybe so.
However.
What if its true - what if there is a "hereafter", and there is a "heaven" and a "hell".
What then?

What if the god hates Christians, what then? Maybe Buddhists are on the right track. What then?

The choice is not between a single religion and not being religious. It's between hundreds, if not more, religions. Plus the option to not be religious at all. The chance of making the right choice, assuming it matters, goes down significantly.

 

[Splinter]

I suppose hoping an atheist is humble is an insult to atheists. I mean come on the "Me atheist me must be smart, you religious you must be dumb" mantra appears to be all that keeps atheists going these days (nothing in the form of any coherent arguments), people can't honestly expect humility from these towers of intellect .

You would be incorrect on all counts. It seems this jibe really, really irks you Striking to close to the truth for you?

 

[Temujin]

There's also a lot of other things to ponder. Like the queues just to get in. There are currently over 100 people dying every minute of the day on earth and this number is increasing every year. Those queues at the pearly gates must be massive and growing exponentially if people are being judged one at a time like usually depicted. You could spend decades waiting to get in if they haven't improved their tech. Or it could be like one of those alien movies where people are dumped into plots like sheep by the hundreds and sorted by machines for processing. Even that tech won't be able to keep up with the rate of deaths though.

Also stuff like how do people get around in heaven. Apparently you leave behind all earthly possessions so no cars or vehicles of any kind. All you have is that white gown. Imagine the logistics just getting to your friends/family, even when you know where they are in heaven, on foot. Like walking halfway across the world barefoot.

Manufacturing must be a massive industry up there

 

[rambo919]

This is potentially actually a very interesting thought experiment.

Assuming the figure of 100 billion or so people have lived and died so far, and assuming only 20% get into heaven, the population is already at 20 billion people. That is a fsckoff big place and would be somewhat unpleasant to exist in... Hell would be worse of course.

Actually it's fundamentally flawed. Not that long ago or even currently (i forget the details) there were more people alive than had ever died..... simply doubling the current population would give a more accurate capacity.

 

[Splinter]

The "religious" tag/part (of "religious belief") is arbitrary.
The point is that Atheism is purely a belief.

Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD exists?
No - its a belief.
Is it a (scientifically proven) fact that GOD does not exist?
No - its a belief.
Is that belief a religious belief?
No matter how that belief is labelled, it does not change the fact that it's a belief.

What happened to it being a religion?

 

[daveza]

It would take in-depth analysis to determine whether the Bible or Quran advocates more violence.

Why would anyone want to follow a religion that advocates ANY violence.