Jesus Christ proof: Richard Dawkins in shock ‘archaeological evidence’ claim over Messiah

[rambo919]

You forgot that nobody else on the planet actually noticed the flood and many of them have written history that pre-dates it...

And you forget that much of that is actually suspect, the egyptions for example are notorious for how inaccurate their record keeping is.

 

[Spizz]

And you forget that much of that is actually suspect, the egyptions for example are notorious for how inaccurate their record keeping is.

You mean that they never recorded that they were all killed in a flood?

 

[Slootvreter]

You mean that they never recorded that they were all killed in a flood?

Do you believe everyone in the whole world was killed in a flood except for those on the ark?

 

[Spizz]

Do you believe everyone in the whole world was killed in a flood except for those on the ark?

I think you need to read my post again but imagine I put an /s at the end

 

[Techne]

I remember discussing the God Delusion with you a couple of years ago where you did that same old Techne thing where no one knows anything about philosophy apart from you. Even Sam Harris iirc who has a BA in philosophy, according to you, also doesn’t understand philosophy.

And now you come up with suppositions about Dawkins childhood. A subject he talks about in the book.

So I guess I’m asking 2 questions for clarity.

Have you read the God Delusion?

And to be a person who, in your eyes, understands philosophy, do they have to have the same religious beliefs as you?

Lol, what a dishonest twat.

 

[rambo919]

You mean that they never recorded that they were all killed in a flood?

I mean exactly what I said, they never had accuracy as a priority, it was all about ego. Their timelines are also grossly inflated because they for example put concurrent reigns or the reigns of regents and monarchs end to end as well as sometimes extending them for the sake of drama.

But taking the flood specifically ALL ancient civilizations have it on record in one form or another.

 

[Spizz]

Lol, what a dishonest twat.

I would have said it was an obvsevation. But sure, your deflection says enough. I didn't think you had read it.

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Jesus Christ!

 

[Spizz]

I mean exactly what I said, they never had accuracy as a priority, it was all about ego. Their timelines are also grossly inflated because they for example put concurrent reigns or the reigns of regents and monarchs end to end as well as sometimes extending them for the sake of drama.

But taking the flood specifically ALL ancient civilizations have it on record in one form or another.

You are contradicting your literal interpretation of the bible now. I thought all people on earth were wiped out and earth was then repopulated by Noah and his family?

Can you explain please?

 

[rambo919]

You are contradicting your literal interpretation of the bible now. I thought all people on earth were wiped out and earth was then repopulated by Noah and his family?

Can you explain please?

How am I contradicting anything? The three sons of Noah with their three (likely of differing genetic branches) wives founded the three main strains of post-flood humanity. These strains passed on the story and because of bias or bad record keeping corrupted it. The purest versions are basically identical to the Noah story, I think the Chinese one is the closest but I might be wrong. The core of the actual events is present in all ancient mythologies specifically because they had no specific interest in recording history for history sake except later to brag about their past glories, this only started changing in the classical era.

The Abrahamic peoples are (probably) the only exception because they were always concerned with history for history sake, though the Ismaelite strain's dedication to accuracy is a bit questionable.

The only actually fantastical historical records are found in apocrypha like Jasher..... and I really mean fantastical to the level of epic greek poems.

 

[saor]

How am I contradicting anything? The three sons of Noah with their three (likely of differing genetic branches) wives founded the three main strains of post-flood humanity. These strains passed on the story and because of bias or bad record keeping corrupted it. The purest versions are basically identical to the Noah story, I think the Chinese one is the closest but I might be wrong. The core of the actual events is present in all ancient mythologies specifically because they had no specific interest in recording history for history sake except later to brag about their past glories, this only started changing in the classical era.

The Abrahamic peoples are (probably) the only exception because they were always concerned with history for history sake, though the Ismaelite strain's dedication to accuracy is a bit questionable.

The only actually fantastical historical records are found in apocrypha like Jasher..... and I really mean fantastical to the level of epic greek poems.

So the great empires of the old world all came from the people on the ark? Within a few thousand years the world was populated and the various people & cultures emerged - all from Noah and his kids?

 

[EADC]

And you forget that much of that is actually suspect, the egyptions for example are notorious for how inaccurate their record keeping is.

The flood myth is Babylonian who did have a guide to build an Ark but it was just a myth.

 

[rambo919]

So the great empires of the old world all came from the people on the ark? Within a few thousand years the world was populated and the various people & cultures emerged - all from Noah and his kids?

You are probably under the common misconception that the "great empires" numbered in the millions..... most of the greatest "cities" at the time (height of ancient empires) had at most total populations of under 10,000 and event that might be an exaggeration.

Also if it is true that people had an initial lifespan of 1000 that started declining it would be easy to get large populations. Some people today can get 10-20 kids if they start young..... how many could they have with a lifespan of say 500?

EDIT: You would also have a situation where parents and grandparents would long outlive their children which explains all the myths of "immortals". The greek mythology as an interesting example has one main titan and three sons who were the main gods.

 

[rambo919]

The flood myth is Babylonian who did have a guide to build an Ark but it was just a myth.

That grammar makes no sense.....

 

[TysonRoux]

Also if it is true that people had an initial lifespan of 1000

Do you think that is true?

 

[Spizz]

How am I contradicting anything? The three sons of Noah with their three (likely of differing genetic branches) wives founded the three main strains of post-flood humanity. These strains passed on the story and because of bias or bad record keeping corrupted it. The purest versions are basically identical to the Noah story, I think the Chinese one is the closest but I might be wrong. The core of the actual events is present in all ancient mythologies specifically because they had no specific interest in recording history for history sake except later to brag about their past glories, this only started changing in the classical era.

The Abrahamic peoples are (probably) the only exception because they were always concerned with history for history sake, though the Ismaelite strain's dedication to accuracy is a bit questionable.

The only actually fantastical historical records are found in apocrypha like Jasher..... and I really mean fantastical to the level of epic greek poems.

I'm sorry, but you are not making much sense. You say there are records of 'the flood' in ALL other civilisations, but all other civilisations were wiped out and replaced by the descendants of Noah. So there will be a common history going back to Noah and all civilisations will start from there. Not so?

But we know this is not the case. Everyone from the Incas to the Egyptians were around and have a history longer than this supposed flood. That they recorded the same flood doesn't make any sense, they would have died in it not written about it.

Further proof, if any was actually needed in the first place, that the flood myth is just that. A myth. Shared by many cultures throughout history.

 

[TysonRoux]

So the great empires of the old world all came from the people on the ark? Within a few thousand years the world was populated and the various people & cultures emerged - all from Noah and his kids?

And, ......... there was no Viagra those days.

 

[Techne]

And, ......... there was no Viagra those days.

Plus... I hear T-Rex bladders were good condoms.

 

[buka001]

Lol this poor guy. Got molested around the time he became an atheist and probably had an absent father now he is just a bitter old anti-religious bigot.

Philosophy and logic aren't for him. After the God Delusion it became pretty clear he should've just kept going with his area of expertise... I.e. not logic and philosophy, but hey he still bamboozles the easily bamboozled

Logic? lol

Logic like the burning bush, or an omnipotent god testing Abraham, or a whale eating someone, or dead man rising from his death ...

That logic?

 

[daveza]

You are contradicting your literal interpretation of the bible now. I thought all people on earth were wiped out and earth was then repopulated by Noah and his family?

Can you explain please?

One thing ( of the many ) about the 'flood' story that never made sense was, why was Noah the only one in the whole world with a boat.