Joburg estate bans Uber and Uber Eats drivers

quovadis

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Security is an illusion. Your best security is what YOU put up and maintain and inspect for yourself! If you are gonna rely on other people to do it for you, then prepare for there to be slip-ups.
I’m pretty sure the stats favour security in estates vs non-estate living and there are plenty residents in estates that take personal responsibility for their own additional security measures.
 

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So the driver has to wait at the entrance, not the end of the world, except if its cold, but then the wife can go fetch the food especially cause she was supposed to cook it in the first place, pfft.
 

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Security is an illusion. Your best security is what YOU put up and maintain and inspect for yourself! If you are gonna rely on other people to do it for you, then prepare for there to be slip-ups.
Layers, view it as an extra layer, not as a reason to sleep with your doors unlocked.
 

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I think an outright ban is stupid.

They should simply be subjected to the same screening as any other visitor by the estate.
 

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While I understand the security requirement, I'd question whether or not a body corporate has the constitutional right to arbitrarily decide which legitimate businesses an individual chooses to allow to visit their dwelling. It would make an interesting case.
 

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Security is the gun you own and training you have with it.
No, security is to deter the criminal so that they rather bother someone else, or if they persist, to get the earliest possible warning of attack, the gun and the gun training in just a last resort measure. Hell, some want to attack you just to get said gun.
 

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If the resident gives the Uber driver's license plate to the security in advance I cant imagine any logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed. Obviously they shouldn't let anyone in that just claims to be an uber driver.

Have there ever been any recorded cases of uber drivers robbing estates after dropping off passengers?
 

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Security is an illusion. Your best security is what YOU put up and maintain and inspect for yourself! If you are gonna rely on other people to do it for you, then prepare for there to be slip-ups.
Jip, 100% sure I can get into that "security estate" commit a murder and get away with it. Heck even shoot the "gate guardian" enter and shoot somebody else. People are not that safe as they think
 

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Jip, 100% sure I can get into that "security estate" commit a murder and get away with it. Heck even shoot the "gate guardian" enter and shoot somebody else. People are not that safe as they think
Sure, a hitman might do that, robbers and such won't want the extra attention and the possibilty if being trapped in the estate.
 

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So does the estate allow your friends and family to come inside and if they do, how do they confirm that it is actually your friends/family? I assume the guards call you and ask if they can come in. Can't they follow the same process if you called an Uber?

Seems like the same security risk so why is one allowed and the other not?
 

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Exactly, I lived in an Estate for several years when first married... will never do it again voluntarily. Don't like other people telling me what I can and cannot do with my own house.
Jip or people telling you your car MUST be parked in the garage, or waiting ages to get Fibre only to have the "Body Corporate" delay it
 

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So does the estate allow your friends and family to come inside and if they do, how do they confirm that it is actually your friends/family? I assume the guards call you and ask if they can come in. Can't they follow the same process if you called an Uber?

Seems like the same security risk so why is one allowed and the other not?
I agree with this. Uber even shows the license plate of the car in the app... you can confirm with the security guys that this plate is allowed in now...
 

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Jip, 100% sure I can get into that "security estate" commit a murder and get away with it. Heck even shoot the "gate guardian" enter and shoot somebody else. People are not that safe as they think
Yes, but it will take time, perhaps have more resistance on arrival or when leaving and just be too messy - rather wait for the "target" to leave first or pick one without the extra hurdles. Hypothetically speaking of course.
 

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Yes, but it will take time, perhaps have more resistance on arrival or when leaving and just be too messy - rather wait for the "target" to leave first or pick one without the extra hurdles. Hypothetically speaking of course.
Ha Ha, I'm trying to prove that people are not "safe" as they think they are
 

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No, security is to deter the criminal so that they rather bother someone else, or if they persist, to get the earliest possible warning of attack, the gun and the gun training in just a last resort measure. Hell, some want to attack you just to get said gun.
Judgement time baby.
 

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Ha Ha, I'm trying to prove that people are not "safe" as they think they are
Yeah I know, but at least those residents in that security estate are for now safe from those assassins who choose Uber as their vector of entry to that estate. ;)
 

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Where we use to live people had to meet uber and such outside and all delivery drivers had to be met by you at the gate. If its food you take it. If its bigger items like fridge/bed etc you had to go to the gate, escort them in, and back to the gate.

There have been plenty of people claiming to be uber/taxify/delivery people and then they went in to break-in/rob/steal stuff. There is over 100 homes there and limiting their access made a huge difference.
Sounds like a good argument to me. I assume this is controlled access via a security company? I can tell you that "security" estate where access is a via a remote, the very owners themselves are the greatest liability.
 

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Sounds like a good argument to me. I assume this is controlled access via a security company? I can tell you that "security" estate where access is a via a remote, the very owners themselves are the greatest liability.
Yip,
Gaurds contact the resident. The resident has to sign for their delivery people to enter or the boom gate stays closed.
No one has remotes. Residents have their prints scanned.
 
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