Joburg factory bust for employing children and illegal immigrants under 'horrific' conditions

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noxibox

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for children and illegal immigrants?
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In a "free" market with no legal constraints placed on employers why could they not employ children? Or require desperate workers to work long hours in dangerous conditions? If those workers don't like it they can just get another, better job right?

Of course in reality a market with power and information imbalances isn't really free. Workers forming a group to negotiate with an employer, which is itself a collective, would thus move things in direction of a freer market. But then people who claim they want a free market usually don't really. What they want is a market skewed in favour of business and those who hold most of the capital.

Even with South Africa's labour laws it can be difficult for some people to protect their rights, because they're not in a union. When their employer tells them that if they take holiday leave they need not bother coming back or doesn't pay them when they're sick it isn't easy for a lone individual with no money to do anything other than put up with it.

Knyro said:
So these working conditions and pay are just fine for South African adults?
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They would be without unions and labour laws.

ponder said:
You're reaching. All those things are illegal, you don't even need to resort to labour law in order to prosecute them.
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But laws are government interfering with the market.

Sinbad said:
Pretty sure that just about everywhere they are corrupt and full of crap in my experience.
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So basically the same as business then.

Sinbad said:
1) Political alliance. They should NOT be able to influence the government.
2) Make it a prerequisite on a strike ballot that they fully inform their membership exactly what the strike will cost those members per day - with no chance of compensation.
3) Make it illegal for any union officials to be involved in any form of business that may benefit from a strike in any way.
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The first applies equally to businesses and the wealthy. They should have no influence over governments.

I agree with the other two.
 
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In a "free" market with no legal constraints placed on employers why could they not employ children? Or require desperate workers to work long hours in dangerous conditions? If those workers don't like it they can just get another, better job right?

Of course in reality a market with power and information imbalances isn't really free. Workers forming a group to negotiate with an employer, which is itself a collective, would thus move things in direction of a freer market. But then people who claim they want a free market usually don't really. What they want is a market skewed in favour of business and those who hold most of the capital.

Even with South Africa's labour laws it can be difficult for some people to protect their rights, because they're not in a union. When their employer tells them that if they take holiday leave they need not bother coming back or doesn't pay them when they're sick it isn't easy for a lone individual with no money to do anything other than put up with it.


They would be without unions and labour laws.


But laws are government interfering with the market.


So basically the same as business then.


The first applies equally to businesses and the wealthy. They should have no influence over governments.

I agree with the other two.
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why do you ignore all other laws and make it out as if labor law must do it all. forced labor in a sweat shop is a far different to a shitty job. get your head our your ass.
 
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