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[Cray]

I know, and increasing the amount is another step towards communism rather than away from it.

The "everything I don't agree with = a march towards communism" schtick is getting old...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

How do you distinguish between what is good democracy and bad democracy?

wasn't debating good or bad democracy, but good or bad policy

you can have a "good" democracy with bad policy and vice versa

 

[Cray]

Denial
Anger --> You are here.
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I think he might still be at denial, for someone who doesn't care he sure posts a lot.

 

[greg0205]

I really don't get the argument against minimum living wage. If billions of dollars of tax breaks can be given to filthy rich with hardly any trickle down effect, then why not minimum living wage?

It is almost like certain people here don't like the idea of 'specific' people surviving in life. Honestly, what complete piece of human garbage these people are. And always trump supporters in this garbage. I wonder why.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1349418126379769859

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The "everything I don't agree with = a march towards communism" schtick is getting old...

except it isn't getting old as long as people try to implement it, clearly lessons have not been learned

and again: minimum wage, or paying people according to their need is literally a Marxist concept

 

[DreamKing]

Denial
Anger --> You are here.
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I said that even before the election, for S.A. I said the same. Check it

 

[Cray]

except it isn't getting old as long as people try to implement it, clearly lessons have not been learned

and again: minimum wage, or paying people according to their need is literally a Marxist concept

So am assuming you can point to all those countries that have implemented a minimum wage and then have slid headlong into communism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage

Quite a few Western European countries on that list, guess it's just a very slow slide...?

Am curious, what are your feelings towards social programs to assist the poor and unemployed? Do you support government assistance for people that cannot make ends meet even if they work full time?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Do you support government assistance for people that cannot make ends meet even if they work full time?

Absolutely NOT!

I would wager that the root cause of their misery happens to be government intervention as well. You shouldn't be taxing your citizens more to fix your mistakes.

 

[Cray]

Absolutely NOT!

I would wager that the root cause of their misery happens to be government intervention as well. You shouldn't be taxing your citizens more to fix your mistakes.

What kind of mistakes are you referring to?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What kind of mistakes are you referring to?

Can't identify them without a real world example.

Generically:

- if your tax structure or a myriad of other factors are such that corporations choose to relocate factories overseas for example, then that was the mistake, you don't fix it by raising minimum wage for the few factory workers that still have a job now that there's millions of them that can't find a job

- if you inflate your currency so much that low income workers can't afford food anymore, then the inflation was the mistake, you don't fix that by giving people free money

 

[2023]

So am assuming you can point to all those countries that have implemented a minimum wage and then have slid headlong into communism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_minimum_wage

Quite a few Western European countries on that list, guess it's just a very slow slide...?

Am curious, what are your feelings towards social programs to assist the poor and unemployed? Do you support government assistance for people that cannot make ends meet even if they work full time?

Aus $13.5
Lux $13.45

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SA $1.30


Yeah, so... as soon as that $15 is a fact, I'm taking my burgers to USA! I think they need my services the most.

 

[Cray]

Can't identify them without a real world example.

Well lets talk about the States then, we have posted why even a $15 minimum wage is barely scraping by but you think that even the current 7$ per hour is too high...

If people cannot make ends meet with food, rent and education costs while working a full time job, what do you propose that they do about it? Work two jobs just to get by and never have a chance to improve their lot in life? All the while the richest people in the country get richer by exploiting poor people who have no choice but to work for terrible wages?

 

[2023]

Well lets talk about the States then, we have posted why even a $15 minimum wage is barely scraping by but you think that even the current 7$ per hour is too high...

If people cannot make ends meet with food, rent and education costs while working a full time job, what do you propose that they do about it? Work two jobs just to get by and never have a chance to improve their lot in life? All the while the richest people in the country get richer by exploiting poor people who have no choice but to work for terrible wages?

Why is the cost of living so high in USA compare to SA?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Well lets talk about the States then, we have posted why even a $15 minimum wage is barely scraping by but you think that even the current 7$ per hour is too high...

If people cannot make ends meet with food, rent and education costs while working a full time job, what do you propose that they do about it? Work two jobs just to get by and never have a chance to improve their lot in life? All the while the richest people in the country get richer by exploiting poor people who have no choice but to work for terrible wages?

the states has inflated the living shyte out of the dollar

the solution is to stop and then reverse all of it, magically people will be able to live on lower incomes

and yes ANY amount of minimum wage is too high

 

[AlmightyBender]

You know they already have a minimum wage right? Last I check there was a marked absence of a hammer and sickle on the star-spangled banner...

If you press Narrow and co. enough and interrogate them on the application of their beliefs, the outcome will inevitably be that they conclude that every country in the world is currently, and has always been, a communist state.

Graphs haven't been created yet to chart the absurdity.

 

[rietrot]

Why is the cost of living so high in USA compare to SA?

There's 20 people down the line all expecting to be paid minimum wage.

You increase minimum wage for one you increase it for all.

The one person that you tried to help won't receive any benefits because now input cost for everything he wants to buy has gone up and he might even lose his job now.

Price fixing doesn't work.
The true minimum wage is 0.

 

[konfab]

Well lets talk about the States then, we have posted why even a $15 minimum wage is barely scraping by but you think that even the current 7$ per hour is too high...

If people cannot make ends meet with food, rent and education costs while working a full time job, what do you propose that they do about it? Work two jobs just to get by and never have a chance to improve their lot in life? All the while the richest people in the country get richer by exploiting poor people who have no choice but to work for terrible wages?

The real minimum wage is zero.

Who do you think is going to benefit with a higher minimum wage?
It is the tech companies that make it worth the money to not not have workers.

And onto a more political point:

Why don't the states just implement minimum wage by themselves? They don't need federal government to do it.

If you are going to have a stupid policy like minimum wage, doing it by geography is the least worst way.

Federal minimum wage assumes that the cost of living in New York city is exactly the same as it is in the middle of Ohio.

 

[Cray]

The real minimum wage is zero.

Thankfully most Americans and most of the world disagree with you and Narrow.

 

[rietrot]

If you press Narrow and co. enough and interrogate them on the application of their beliefs, the outcome will inevitably be that they conclude that every country in the world is currently, and has always been, a communist state.

Graphs haven't been created yet to chart the absurdity.

Well every country in the world currently have some strong communist leanings.

 

[rietrot]

Thankfully most Americans and most of the world disagree with you and Narrow.

Reels > feels.

Their opinions don't matter. Ask them again if they get priced out of a job.