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EADC said:
Trumpets and conservatives hate the poor. Even though they mostly reside in the poorest counties. Which is quite ironic.
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It's only ever been class warfare, for hundreds of years the story is pretty much unchanged.

It's valid for comparison to look at the confederate war here. Often referred to as: "a rich man's war but a poor man's fight" since the actual soldiers were mostly poor farmers who could not even afford to own slaves - you can't but ask yourself why did they fight for the rights of others to own them?

I believe it is well articulated in the following quote:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”​


― Lyndon B. Johnson

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This tracks scarily well against the things we are seeing today. Rural America is being hoodwinked into race war while billionaires rob them blind in broad daylight.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”

― Lyndon B. Johnson
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the basis of South African politics for 50 years. and a large part of what drives some of the people in this thread.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
It's only ever been class warfare, for hundreds of years the story is pretty much unchanged.

It's valid for comparison to look at the confederate war here. Often referred to as: "a rich man's war but a poor man's fight" since the actual soldiers were mostly poor farmers who could not even afford to own slaves - you can't but ask yourself why did they fight for the rights of others to own them?

I believe it is well articulated in the following quote:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”​


― Lyndon B. Johnson

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This tracks scarily well against the things we are seeing today. Rural America is being hoodwinked into race war while billionaires rob them blind in broad daylight.
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That LBJ quote is one the most accurate things I have seen and even fits well for SA
 
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Of course, you are also against assisting poor people in any way... So if people want to not starve what choices do they have?
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Absolutely not. What I am against is forcing one person to help another.

If someone does not want to starve, then they need to do one of the following: ask someone to help them, or find a way they can do something useful for someone else such that they will pay them.

That is the gold standard of morality. You simply don't have a right to someone else's life (which includes their time, money and property).

It is private charity which is the reason why people didn't starve to death because of the government's deliberate actions of forcing working class people to sit at home. The South African government did everything they could to prevent private charities from doing what they did:
In Emalahleni (formerly Witbank) in Mpumalanga, a notice was circulated by the municipal manager in late April laying out the “requirements” to be “adhered to” by private persons or organisations wishing to give out food parcels.

The requirements include:

All cooked or uncooked food parcels to be inspected and approved by environmental health inspectors prior to distribution;
Food parcels cannot be distributed without a permit; and
Clear details of what is being distributed, when, and to whom, must be provided to the municipality for sharing with the security cluster.
Gauteng Social Development MEC Panyaza Lesufi, meanwhile, said last week that he was concerned about the ways in which individual citizens and NGOs were contravening regulations around food distribution under lockdown.

Lesufi reminded the public that anyone in Gauteng wishing to distribute food directly to communities must apply to the provincial Department of Social Development no less than 48 hours in advance in order to receive an authorisation letter, and must then approach the local police station to inform the SAPS of the distribution plans.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...e-hungry-from-receiving-food-in-south-africa/
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That is your benevolent socialism in its action, because you assume that the people running the system are going to be perfect human beings with no flaws.
 
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SlinkyMike said:
It's only ever been class warfare, for hundreds of years the story is pretty much unchanged.

It's valid for comparison to look at the confederate war here. Often referred to as: "a rich man's war but a poor man's fight" since the actual soldiers were mostly poor farmers who could not even afford to own slaves - you can't but ask yourself why did they fight for the rights of others to own them?

I believe it is well articulated in the following quote:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”​


― Lyndon B. Johnson

​

This tracks scarily well against the things we are seeing today. Rural America is being hoodwinked into race war while billionaires rob them blind in broad daylight.
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2021 said:
Whats the link to that website? Lets see if I can find somewhere cheaper!
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www.epi.org

Family Budget Calculator

EPI’s Family Budget Calculator measures the income a family needs in order to attain a modest yet adequate standard of living. The budgets estimate community-specific costs for 10 family types (one or two adults with zero to four children) in all counties and metro areas in the United States...
www.epi.org www.epi.org
 
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EADC said:
That LBJ quote is one the most accurate things I have seen and even fits well for SA
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It is historically accurate as well:
The origins of many minimum wage policies within the progressive and labour movements are not ones which any decent person would be quick to endorse. One such case is documented by the African American economist Walter Williams in his 1989 book, South Africa's War against Capitalism.

He documents how during the apartheid era the most ardent proponents of the minimum wage were white racist unions seeking to protect their jobs from honest competition with black South Africans. He quotes one South African union leader as saying:

''There is no job reservation left on the building industry, and in the circumstances I support the rate for the job (minimum wages) as the second best way of protecting our white artisans''

It is clear why racist employers favour the minimum wage. Once a statutory minimum wage is set the employer no longer pays the price for his discriminating on the grounds of race.
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The root cause of Apartheid policies in South Africa was the National Party doing everything they can to protect the Afrikaans working class from competition (from the English as well I might add). The labour parties, like the South African Communist party hated policies that allowed employers to hire black people in more senior positions.

Economics of the colour bar is pretty much the best book on the subject.
https://cdn.mises.org/The Economics of the Colour Bar_2.pdf
 
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Okes, let go.

This thread is done. Finish, klaar, kaput! Move on.
 
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