Joe Biden defeats Trump to win US election

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Back then MLK Jr was often cast as a radical socialist/communist by Conservatives.

The likes of Cruz and McConnell virtue signalling, by invoking MLK Jr, would have him turning in his grave. If he were alive today, they would be pearl clutching bevok to call him a socialist/communist.


In 1952 a 23-year-old Martin Luther King Jr. wrote a love letter to Coretta Scott. Along with coos of affection and apologies for his hasty handwriting, he described his feelings not just toward his future wife, but also toward America’s economic system. “I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic,” he admitted to his then-girlfriend, concluding that “capitalism has outlived its usefulness.”

The Forgotten Socialist History of Martin Luther King Jr.

King composed these words as a grad student on the tail end of his first year at the Boston University School of Theology. And far from representing just the utopianism of youth, the views expressed in the letter would go on to inform King’s economic vision throughout his life.

As Americans honor King on his birthday, it is important to remember that the civil rights icon was also a democratic socialist, committed to building a broad movement to overcome the failings of capitalism and achieve both racial and economic equality for all people.

Capitalism “has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes,” King wrote in his 1952 letter to Scott. He would echo the sentiment 15 years later in his last book, Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?: “Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty [and] has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.”
 

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Commiefornia is one of the states with the toughest restrictions, Democrats in every statewide office etc.

A progressive paradise that is #1 in poverty and inequality in the nation.

Unsurprisingly, this hack doesn't provide any evidence for it being the poorest state.

In reality, it's the 7th richest. And notice how even in his piece a lot of the historical reasons for the problems came about from the era when conservatives governed California.

You notice something about the poorest states? Very conservative and run by Republicans.
 

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Yip.

They would loose their marbles with MLK Jr.

AOC is is nothing in comparison.
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It is the way their EC is setup. Check below.


Well Joe just needs to take office at noon in two days and not croak.If Harris were to take over, it would be interesting times, some might see harris as a soft target because of being a woman, and try take advantage ?

I don't think any country tried their luck with trump in office, either because they were laughing so hard, or the dumb ass might bomb the shyte out of them.

Any ways piece of history I am bleaching in the next two days. I still like bill clinton
 
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Unsurprisingly, this hack doesn't provide any evidence for it being the poorest state.

In reality, it's the 7th richest. And notice how even in his piece a lot of the historical reasons for the problems came about from the era when conservatives governed California.

You notice something about the poorest states? Very conservative and run by Republicans.

Undisputably, California does have an inequality problem - #4 in the states (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/us-states-with-the-highest-levels-of-income-inequality.html). So it does do better on poverty (https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/2019-poverty-rate.html) although again not a spectacular performance by any means.
 

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In the past, I used to wonder why political studies (now political science?) was a degree offered by major universities.

After all these threads and posts, I now understand.
 

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Makes it legal to pay someone $0 for the work they do. Make them dependent on you for food and shelter and voila, you have a legal slave... What am I missing?

Well, they could go and work for someone else. Oh, and they're not owned by someone.
 

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honestly, i don't know why everyone is getting so hung up on the minimum wage. it's a good thing, and necessary, but it's far from the real problem.

here's some data.

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the real point is wage stagnation for the majority of Americans. there are 360 million of them and they're not all Jeff Bezos. most people are trapped in poor wages to productivity and have been for decades, primarily because corporate favouritism by both parties (union-busting, stripping labour protections, corporate tax cuts, policy support, etc.) has led to continued economic growth without that growth entering the majority of the economy.

as Gore Vidal said, years ago, America is a one-party state with two wings, both run by business. that's why (as i posted earlier) you can have more people staying unemployed longer, more people in variable employment, COVID-induced job losses, and still see a soaring stock market. it's disconnected from the majority of people.

people lauding this as proof of anything should be very careful about the conclusions drawn. you can quite easily get what you ask for.
Vidal was wrong, though.

There's just no rational way to look at the Democratic platform and legislation they've already passed and think it's basically the same thing as the Republicans as it relates to 'business'.

Corporate Democrats are a thing, obviously, but the flattening of the stark difference between the two does a disservice to people trying to understand what's going on, imo.

prices are a function of way more than cost of labour,
In fact, it's essentially untethered.

 
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In the past, I used to wonder why political studies (now political science?) was a degree offered by major universities.

After all these threads and posts, I now understand.

Nah. Did one or two courses in political science - the most boring stuff ever. Very theoretical - 'median voter theorem' and k@k like that. Did learn about gerrymandering though :sneaky: .... the first time I heard the term. Put it this way, you won't gain any better understanding of the 'ins' and 'outs' of actual, real-life politics. Also being in SA, you won't really learn about the far more intricate and developed political systems in the US and UK.
 

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Vidal was wrong, though.

There's just no rational way to look at the Democratic platform and legislation they've already passed and think it's basically the same thing as the Republicans as it relates to 'business'.
I'm not sure of that. There's a longer discussion to be had on that one day. The means differ but the priorities weight the same. Because the means differ, the impacts arrive differently is all.

Essentially untethered

100%. I was being tactful in that post :)


edit: The only reason I don't feel like going into it here is the ratio of crazies here would swamp it.
 

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Nah. Did one or two courses in political science - the most boring stuff ever. Very theoretical - 'median voter theorem' and k@k like that. Did learn about gerrymandering though :sneaky: .... the first time I heard the term. Put it this way, you won't gain any better understanding of the 'ins' and 'outs' of actual, real-life politics. Also being in SA, you won't really learn about the far more intricate and developed political systems in the US and UK.

There is a difference between "one or two" courses (no naming of where obtained either; and surely you know if it was one, or two) versus a full blown degree at a major University. In my opinion.
 
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