JUST IN | Arthur Fraser admits board did not approve medical parole for Zuma

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Presidency "comfortable" that Zuma’s medical parole was granted through relevant authorities​


Minister in the Presidency Mondli Gungubele has refused to comment on whether President Cyril Ramaphosa knew beforehand about the granting of medical parole to former president Jacob Zuma.

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Speaking to the media ahead of the Cabinet Lekgotla on Tuesday morning, Gungubele said the president is comfortable that the decision was taken by the relevant institution which has the necessary power to do so.

“The issue of the former president, what counts to us is that somebody who had the power to exercise that authority is Mr Fraser, head of Correctional Services and what counts to us is that the powers to deal with that are vested in him.

If there are any wrongdoings about that, we expect the normal institutions to deal with that but what counts for us is that the person in whom the powers are vested to deal with, dealt with it,” added Gungubele.

Gungubele didn’t want to comment any further about Ramaphosa seemingly being informed about the decision beforehand.

“That’s an area where I am not prepared to give a response.

“I think the President is better placed but we are comfortable that a relevant institution vested to take that decision is the one that took it.”
 

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Does anyone here know whether Fraser has been called to parliament to make his reasons known?

This is not a matter which can be rested until a later time. The longer this is being set aside, the more time Correctional Services will have to prepare their reasons and by chance have a Parole Review Board materialise. There is a reason that neither Fraser nor Lamola responded to the requests to have access to the reasons, and that is because they don’t have the desired answers at this time.

Time is being bought.
 

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Does anyone here know whether Fraser has been called to parliament to make his reasons known?

This is not a matter which can be rested until a later time. The longer this is being set aside, the more time Correctional Services will have to prepare their reasons and by chance have a Parole Review Board materialise. There is a reason that neither Fraser nor Lamola responded to the requests to have access to the reasons, and that is because they don’t have the desired answers at this time.

Time is being bought.
They going to let JZ walk no matter what. Will be Shaik nr 2... people can complain, ANC does what it wants.
 

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He can't say much due to fear instilled by NDZ so there is that.

There is a problem,

“The issue of the former president, what counts to us is that somebody who had the power to exercise that authority is Mr Fraser, head of Correctional Services and what counts to us is that the powers to deal with that are vested in him.

Fraser's 'authority' hasn't been legally tested. Say Ramaphosa was aware, and was party to this decision, then they should have expected their decision to be opposed. Another reason why the reasons aren't being made public.
 

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There is a problem,



Fraser's 'authority' hasn't been legally tested. Say Ramaphosa was aware, and was party to this decision, then they should have expected their decision to be opposed. Another reason why the reasons aren't being made public.
It is in the interests of ANC (in general terms although it may not be in Cyril's best interests) to let this matter drag till JZ dies of natural causes. Unless of course trained assassins that are hot on JZ trail for last 70+ years finally succeed.
 

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Lol at people still thinking Ramaphosa is on their side, or that the ANC believes in democracy & rule of law.

Swindled, by thugs in smart suits..
Country will always be fkd until the cANCer goes...Which needs smarter voters...
Which seems unlikely...
So we are more fkd with every passing day
But at least its a sunny day out there:laugh:
 

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They going to let JZ walk no matter what. Will be Shaik nr 2... people can complain, ANC does what it wants.

Zuma's planned coming home celebration will be an ANC rally. I can assume that this was a collective ANC decision to intervene in Zuma’s imprisonment, however, I am curious about the Ramaphosa sentiment, the RET cohorts has long been rallied up against Ramaphosa, but it is Ramaphosa who has now pulled the strings or so it is being alleged. For this to work, unity must be shown amongst the ANC.

Just remember, Zuma is no Shaik. Zuma is an idol and role model; he leads the corrupt by example. You allow Zuma to walk, you declare open season on corruption and criminality in general.
 

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JUSTICE MALALA: How Ramaphosa created the Arthur Fraser monster​

Let’s cut to the chase here. You can scream until you are purple in the face but Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma does not have a terminal illness.

Just a few weeks before he was taken into custody he was speaking to journalists, addressing crowds of supporters, conferring with his phalanx of lawyers and entertaining guests at the garish Nkandla home that the taxpayer has built for him.

He was in fine fettle as he defied the law for days until he was taken in by his security detail at midnight on July 7. Until that day the man could offer a lusty rendition of Awulethe Umshini Wami (Bring Me My Machine Gun) at the drop of a hat.

The only long-term illness Zuma suffers from is an aversion to facing the law, getting his day in court and answering allegations against him linked to the arms deal and his role in state capture. To evade the law, Zuma will do absolutely anything, including what his benefactor Schabir Shaik did over 10 years ago — faking it.

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The Citizen has summarised as where the matter is currently standing, in regard to being answered,


Answers demanded​

The Democratic Alliance (DA) has since filed urgent court papers seeking to overturn Zuma’s release.

Meanwhile, the Helen Suzman Foundation and Afrikaner lobby group AfriForum have threatened legal action if the Department of Correctional Services does not give full written reasons for placing Zuma on parole.

The foundation had given Fraser and Minister of Justice and Correctional Services Ronald Lamola until 5pm on Monday to respond.

However, both of them failed to do so, according Christopher Fisher, legal researcher at Helen Suzman Foundation.

Fischer told eNCA on Tuesday the foundation would approach the courts over the matter.

“We view our legal standing in this matter as essentially being supported by two sets of reasons. The first is that we would bring a review [application] of the commissioner’s [Fraser’s] decision in determining whether or not Mr Zuma’s medical parole was issued lawfully or [if] there was some attempt to undermine the rule of law expressed in the Constitutional Court’s order,” he said.

Now is the question in how urgent this matter will be deemed by the parties opposing the Correctional Services decision and by the courts?

From what I have seen at late, the courts are slower than Capetonians in being urgent.
 

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I see Zuma's PR is back at this,


Justice delayed is Justice denied. H.E Prez Zuma's Rescission Application was heard on 12 of July 2021. The hearing was on an urgent basis, following directions that had very short time lines. Today, 64 days later it's the 14 Sept 2021 & counting, we are still awaiting outcome

in the case, Zuma has his way here his entire imprisonment will be placed in doubt, and sure they will rub it into those who wanted him imprisoned. This can potentially turn Zuma into a martyr without him kicking the bucket, and it won't bode our legal system any good.
 

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Fresh challenge to granting medical parole to Jacob Zuma​

The Helen Suzman Foundation (HSF) has launched a court application to declare that correctional services department head Arthur Fraser’s decision to grant former president Jacob Zuma medical parole is unlawful and is set aside.

This is the second application before the high court in Pretoria challenging the national commissioner’s decision to grant Zuma parole. The DA launched its application last Friday.

The HSF said it wrote to Fraser last Monday to request the record of and the reasons for his decision to place Zuma on medical parole.

The foundation said Fraser did not respond to its request by Sep. 13, the deadline set for response.

The foundation then launched its urgent application before the court on Tuesday in two parts.

In Part A, the HSF seeks the record of and the reasons for Fraser’s decision to place Zuma on medical parole. This is to facilitate the relief sought in Part B of its application, which is the review and setting aside of Fraser’s decision.

The HSF also seeks an order substituting the decision with a decision refusing Zuma’s application for medical parole.
 

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I don't know when this court application will be made, but there will be three applications,


AFRIFORUM BRINGS URGENT REVIEW APPLICATION ON ZUMA’S RELEASE​

The civil rights organisation AfriForum is in the process of compiling an urgent court application against the Department of Correctional Services as well as the National Commissioner of Correctional Services, Arthur Fraser.
 

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The narrative from government is to leave Fraser's ass out in the cold as the designated fall guy.
 

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The narrative from government is to leave Fraser's ass out in the cold as the designated fall guy.

Yes, it was all him alone. They took a simple stance, but see how it is being phrased, below is the presidency's direct quote as published by the SABC,


“The issue of the former president, what is important to us is that somebody who had a power to exercise that authority is Mr Fraser, the Head of Correctional Services. What is important to us is that powers to deal with [medical parole] are vested with him.”

“If there any wrongdoings about that we expect the normal [relevant] institutions to deal with that.
But what comforts us is that the person whom the powers are vested to deal with that dealt with it. We are comfortable [that] the relevant institution to take that decision is the one that took it,” adds Gungubele.
 

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Nothing will change in this country. It will stay corrupt until the end of times. Some people have special rights that the normal citizens are not entitled to.

They will do as they please, when they want to and how they want to. They don't care what anybody thinks and will try and justify everything. Africa is a cesspool of corruption.
 

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JZ FOUNDATION REFUSES TO DISCLOSE ZUMA DISCHARGE DATE DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS​

The Jacob Zuma Foundation has confirmed that a thanksgiving prayer reception event will take place in his honour.

JOHANNESBURG - The Jacob Zuma Foundation has refused to share details of when the former president will be discharged from hospital, as preparations are afoot to welcome him back to his Nkandla home.

His foundation has confirmed that a thanksgiving prayer reception event will take place in his honour.

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The foundation spokesperson Mzwanele Manyi said that Zuma’s discharge date could not be disclosed due to security concerns.

"The whereabouts of his excellency, President Zuma, have become a security issue. Whenever he leaves the hospital, we will not announce it, so maybe the first time you hear he's been at one of these receptions things is when he goes to one of them," Manyi said.

Is he even still in hospital?
 
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