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[TelkomUseless]

Nothing stops people from healing from their shitty life and go on to have a great life , take these two people: (I dont like their form of entertainment but they are succesful):

1. Tyler Perry
2. Oprah Winfrey

**** even Charlize Theron came out of an abusive home.

You make almost like a bad start, means they dont have any chance for happiness.

I don't disagree. But same can be said for how many people live on the streets, a life of crime etc because of home/educational issues. Some will survive and make it good, and some wont

By adding more people to the mix doesn't help society. More money and resources are spend on people. Less people can be helped than more people.

 

[rambo919]

So its a yes then. Good to know.

You were going to decide that anyway no matter what I said.

 

[TelkomUseless]

You were going to decide that anyway no matter what I said.

Well you didn't answer a normal question. I'm laughing, such a straight question... nothing weird.

 

[rambo919]

Well you didn't answer a normal question.

You don't ask honest questions in this thread.... that much is clear by now.

 

[agentrfr]

You're taking this to the extreme so let's dial it back a bit.

How do you justify killing a fly even though it is cognizant, and surprisingly intelligent (more intelligent even than a newborn baby)?

I dont think conceptualizing a moral issue philosophically constitutes taking something to an extreme.
The comment regarding a fetus' ability to experience pain was directed at what I think is a now deleted post where someone made a comment that abortions were okay since the baby was not capable of feeling it. I apologies for the confusion.

I do not advocate cruelty to animals.

A fly may be cognisant of itself, but it is not sentient. While a fly my display more intelligent behavior than a newborn baby, in a matter of months that same baby will be in control of its own faculties and able to display intelligence.

A fly, no matter how small the blocks, will never be able to put the cube into the square hole or the ball into the circular hole.

It's a matter of potential, not temporal status.

 

[TelkomUseless]

You don't ask honest questions in this thread.... that much is clear by now.

Whats a honest question? Do you ever complete the government census forms or are they out to get you ?

Do you believe the world to be round ?

 

[Vorastra]

You're asking the very same people who are cheering the Russians on, over in the Ukraine thread.

As opposed to the people that have been cheering Ukraine.
Ukraine should just give up. Lives saved.

Inb4 but Russia should. reeeeeeeeee

And the circle continues.

 

[vigras rojara]

Telkom wont play with me (haha). Just go with me:

Is it okay to steal from someone who is sleeping?

Is it okay to sleep with someone who is stealing?

 

[Nerfherder]

You're asking the very same people who are cheering the Russians on, over in the Ukraine thread.

I get the irony.

and the same people who want no gun controls.

 

[Nerfherder]

Are you the last in your line?

Line of what ?

I have kids, my siblings have kids, my cousins have kids, my cousins cousins have kids...
There is more than enough of our line.

 

[Vorastra]

Line of what ?

I have kids, my siblings have kids, my cousins have kids, my cousins cousins have kids...
There is more than enough of our line.

Interesting. Very interesting.

 

[rh1]

I don't disagree. But same can be said for how many people live on the streets, a life of crime etc because of home/educational issues. Some will survive and make it good, and some wont

By adding more people to the mix doesn't help society. More money and resources are spend on people. Less people can be helped than more people.

According to this logic, why dont we just kill all the poor people? It would make everything better for the remainder?

The simple solution, is that the adults just need to take responsibility i.e. realise that sex have real life consequences therefore they should practices safe responsible sex.

Abortion is also a terrible consequence, and only a sick person would think that the woman who went through with this did not suffer any consequences and/or might require counselling.

 

[Arthur]

I wouldn't be able to post the pictures and videos of a 20 week old foetus getting aborted because it would violate the content policies of this forum for being graphic violence.

Yup. Sadly.
I did post pictures in a similar MyBB thread maybe 10 years ago. They were quickly deleted by the admin and I received an infraction notice.

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On a separate note: it's especially tragic that in certain circles a woman's basic rights are conceived (!) as resting on a medical procedure that directly intends the bloody death of an in utero baby. What an horrific inversion.

 

[G'Wobblez]

Lets put on our tinfoil hats..
Conspiracy time
Dumdum dummmmm!

How many foster kids ends up in the USA military system?

 

[TelkomUseless]

According to this logic, why dont we just kill all the poor people? It would make everything better for the remainder?

The simple solution, is that the adults just need to take responsibility i.e. realise that sex have real life consequences therefore they should practices safe responsible sex.

Abortion is also a terrible consequence, and only a sick person would think that the woman who went through with this did not suffer any consequences and/or might require counselling.

I agree 110%. Abortion is the LAST resort. And people will need counselling etc.

To you original logic. Prevention is better than cure. I'm not saying kill poor. I say don't ADD more people to it.

 

[Nerfherder]

It isn't what a woman does to her body that is the issue. It is what she does to someone else's.

its the most unique situation on earth where the life of one entity is 100% dependent on a specific other entity being alive an well.

Its not another persons life.

I just want to point out another interesting thing.

Natural abortions happen all the time, the body decides all by its self that it no longer wants to carry the baby for a variety of different reasons.
Perhaps the body is under a lot of strain, not getting enough nutrition, sick etc
There are also several checkpoints where the fetus is evaluated and if its not growing fast enough or not developing correctly it will just reject it.
It really sucks when this happens, especially if your heart really wants a baby but if the body can choose for its self not to carry to term then why can't the mind.

Its not moral decay - its nature.

 

[Nerfherder]

Lets put on our tinfoil hats..
Conspiracy time
Dumdum dummmmm!

How many foster kids ends up in the USA military system?

There is an easier way round it...

who ends up in the military - the poor
who has abortions - the poor

 

[Nerfherder]

According to this logic, why dont we just kill all the poor people? It would make everything better for the remainder?

The simple solution, is that the adults just need to take responsibility i.e. realise that sex have real life consequences therefore they should practices safe responsible sex.

The logic you are actually using is that its possible to be too poor to have sex - and love.
Because people with no money must not have babies

Abortion is also a terrible consequence, and only a sick person would think that the woman who went through with this did not suffer any consequences and/or might require counselling.

I think so too. Which is why I don't judge this person. They have to live with this not me.

 

[Gyre]

Let's accept the stalemate.

There will always be mass shootings.
There will always be abortions.

These are the things we have to live with in a broken society. Let the states ban what they want, nothing will change.

 

[Arthur]

Its not another persons life.

I just want to point out another interesting thing.

Natural abortions happen all the time, the body decides all by its self that it no longer wants to carry the baby for a variety of different reasons.
Perhaps the body is under a lot of strain, not getting enough nutrition, sick etc
There are also several checkpoints where the fetus is evaluated and if its not growing fast enough or not developing correctly it will just reject it.
It really sucks when this happens, especially if your heart really wants a baby but if the body can choose for its self not to carry to term then why can't the mind.

Its not moral decay - its nature.

There is no such thing as a natural abortion. In context, the term refers to the intentional or negligent termination of a pregnancy by killing and extracting the foetus. Miscarriage is something else.

But whatever word you choose, the substantive moral and legal issue concerns human intentionality because this requires human agency.

Miscarriages, ie natural failures to carry the child to term, are not morally and therefore legally significant precisely because they do not arise from human intentionality.

The intentional or negligent killing of innocent humans is always morally wrong. That is why our positive law also places decisive importance on intentionality.

(Why the qualifier "innocent"? Because it's required to cover the case where an aggressor is killed in self-defence, ie where the only way to stop the aggressor is to use defensive force that results in the death of the aggressor, who in this case is not regarded as innocent.

In no possible way can a baby in the womb be regarded as an aggressor against whom force may be used in self-defence.)