JUST IN | US Supreme Court ends constitutional right to abortion

[tetrasect]

Roll eyes all you want, but the fact that they rush out to get morning after pills because they may not be able to get an abortion is rather worrying.

They fear the morning after pill being banned as well, which is completely understandable.

 

[Vorastra]

That's a stupid analogy.

They're directly comparable.
What's the logical conclusion of bringing up orphans in an abortion debate?

Because orphans have a hard life, but if they were aborted in the first place, they wouldn't.

Replace orphan with Africans and aborted with killed, then it matches my comment above.

 

[tetrasect]

But anyways I do love how leftists always go back to orphans.

"They should be killed otherwise they'd grow with hardship and be poor!"

Can we kill 90% of Africa? No.

Who T F says orphans should be killed?

You really live in some bizarre fantasy world...

 

[Vorastra]

They fear the morning after pill being banned as well, which is completely understandable.

Let's hope SCOTUS revisits Griswold.

 

[Vorastra]

Who T F says orphans should be killed?

You really live in some bizarre fantasy world...

What's the conclusion in bringing up orphans in an abortion debate.

Because if they were killed in the first place, they wouldn't be orphans.

Which is why I said that I bet if you ask them how would they feel not existing, AKA be killed, they'd say F off.

 

[agentrfr]

That is only one of the reasons to have an abortion.

I was making the point that financial reasons for getting an abortion are not concocted, they are valid. And forcing someone to carry a child and then call them a mooch when they can't afford it is despicable.

No, a financial burden is not a valid reason to exercise an abortion as a means of contraception.

Adults are congisant that pregnancy is a potential result of sex.

Adults are compelled to behave in a responsible manner, especially with regard to vulnerability and harm to others.

One can not, knowing the consequences of an activity, elect to engage in that activity, and then claim hardship as a means to escape the very consequences they committed to.

"Im sorry Bank. I didnt know that my monthly repayments on my Porsche would be so high. I cant pay you this month, I need to pay for my RTX3080 bitcoin farm. Ive already spend all my money on the caviar I had last night. Sozzles. Also, write off all this debt. Also, all that money you stood to earn on interest? You cant have that. I'm now repudiating haha sux for you. Kthnanx bai. btw, I'm keeping the Porsche."

 

[capd]

There is no god or spirit realm. I've been advised to tell peopel to take their mental illness elsewhere and seek professional help, instead of encouraging them.

If you need links to contacts, let me know.

That's what I used to believe up until at least 30 years of age when I was guided by atheism, 'The Science', 'undeniable facts', etc. Believe me, even at the time I was a lot smarter and wiser than most people. I was literally a carbon copy of you and your friends on this forum, and as egocentric in my thinking as it gets... Eek!

How wrong I was. It saddens me deeply how people have been detached from god/spirituality and/or finding god/spirituality. And that's absolutely not in the religious sense. Abortion is one of the many ways in which modern people are being disconnected from god/spirituality, leading to rapid decay.

Even as a Daoist Pantheist, nowadays I can actually appreciate religion, as other than the obvious bad, there is a lot of good it does. Spiritually and socio-economically.

It's you who are the ignorant ones, believing you know it all, when in reality you actually know very little.

I truly hope you one day find god/spirituality, in what ever form or interpretation you come across on your journey,

 

[Vorastra]

That's what I used to believe up until at least 30 years of age when I was guided by atheism, 'The Science', 'undeniable facts', etc. Believe me, even at the time I was a lot smarter and wiser than most people. I was literally a carbon copy of you and your friends on this forum, and as egocentric in my thinking as it gets... Eek!

How wrong I was. It saddens me deeply how people have been detached from god/spirituality and/or finding god/spirituality. And that's absolutely not in the religious sense. Abortion is one of the many ways in which modern people are being disconnected from god/spirituality, leading to rapid decay.

Even as a Daoist Pantheist, nowadays I can actually appreciate religion, as other than the obvious bad, there is a lot of good it does. Spiritually and socio-economically.

It's you who are the ignorant ones, believing you know it all, when in reality you actually know very little.

I truly hope you one day find god/spirituality, in what ever form or interpretation you comes across.

I used to believe in abortion for any reason at any time on-demand. But then I grew up.

 

[C4Cat]

Can someone please explain to me how this will work? Trans men can't have abortions even if they want to have it.

If he has a womb he can get pregnant and have an abortion.

 

[tetrasect]

No, a financial burden is not a valid reason to exercise an abortion as a means of contraception.

Adults are congisant that pregnancy is a potential result of sex.

Adults are compelled to behave in a responsible manner, especially with regard to vulnerability and harm to others.

Again, these people are being responsible by taking contraceptives. And being further responsible by taking an abortion pill when the contraceptives fail. That's what responsible adults do. They don't upend their life and go into crippling debt because of some harebrained theory stemming from the bible.

One can not, knowing the consequences of an activity, elect to engage in that activity, and then claim hardship as a means to escape the very consequences they committed to.

Thanks to modern medicine we don't have to endure hardship as an unintended side effect of sexual activity. You're the one trying to bring hardship into the picture.

"Im sorry Bank. I didnt know that my monthly repayments on my Porsche would be so high. I cant pay you this month, I need to pay for my RTX3080 bitcoin farm. Ive already spend all my money on the caviar I had last night. Sozzles. Also, write off all this debt. Also, all that money you stood to earn on interest? You cant have that. I'm now repudiating haha sux for you. Kthnanx bai. btw, I'm keeping the Porsche."

Your theory is bizarre.

In practice this means every person would have to make and save up enough money to raise a child before they can have sex.

Come back to planet earth please.

 

[tetrasect]

That's what I used to believe up until at least 30 years of age when I was guided by atheism, 'The Science', 'undeniable facts', etc. Believe me, even at the time I was a lot smarter and wiser than most people. I was literally a carbon copy of you and your friends on this forum, and as egocentric in my thinking as it gets... Eek!

How wrong I was. It saddens me deeply how people have been detached from god/spirituality and/or finding god/spirituality. And that's absolutely not in the religious sense. Abortion is one of the many ways in which modern people are being disconnected from god/spirituality, leading to rapid decay.

Even as a Daoist Pantheist, nowadays I can actually appreciate religion, as other than the obvious bad, there is a lot of good it does. Spiritually and socio-economically.

It's you who are the ignorant ones, believing you know it all, when in reality you actually know very little.

I truly hope you one day find god/spirituality, in what ever form or interpretation you come across on your journey,

The very idea of a "spirit" is nonsense and incompatible with what we know about the human brain.

Everything about religion that can be either proven or disproven has been disproven (genesis, flat earth etc).

Everything about religion that can't be either proven or disproven is senseless and irrelevant as we might as well be talking about a flying spaghetti monster.

 

[tetrasect]

I used to believe in abortion for any reason at any time on-demand. But then I *became a Trump fan

FTFY

 

[capd]

The very idea of a "spirit" is nonsense and incompatible with what we know about the human brain.

Everything about religion that can be either proven or disproven has been disproven (genesis, flat earth etc).

Everything about religion that can't be either proven or disproven is senseless and irrelevant as we might as well be talking about a flying spaghetti monster.

I am sorry that your life journey thus far has led you to these misbeliefs! I can truly empathise as I too once was a modern day 'witch burner' who used to say and think the exact same things, verbatim!

 

[rambo919]

I am sorry that your life journey thus far has led you to these misbeliefs! I can truly empathise as I too once was a modern day 'witch burner' who used to say and think the exact same things, verbatim!

Unpossible, they hath seen the one true light... there is only darkness outside of the bunker.

 

[tetrasect]

Unpossible, they hath seen the one true light... there is only darkness outside of the bunker.

Says the guy who literally denies reality by denying evolution

 

[rambo919]

 

[agentrfr]

Again, these people are being responsible by taking contraceptives. And being further responsible by taking an abortion pill when the contraceptives fail. That's what responsible adults do. They don't upend their life and go into crippling debt because of some harebrained theory stemming from the bible.

Mitigating against a potential outcome does not absolve you of responsibility if that outcome comes to fruition.

Not sure how you get that the obligation to perform in a responsible manner is somehow inexorably linked to the Bible.

Thanks to modern medicine we don't have to endure hardship as an unintended side effect of sexual activity. You're the one trying to bring hardship into the picture.

If by modern medicine you mean performing abortions, that has been around for thousands of years, albeit, more physical.

People electing themselves into situations that bring hardship is not unfair. People do it all the time when they take out credit cards or loans.
My issue is with responsibility. Having sex, getting pregnant, then whining about "undue hardship" is ridiculous. The "hardship" was elected into.

Also, abortions are not a form of contraceptive. Stop treating it like that.

Your theory is bizarre.
In practice this means every person would have to make and save up enough money to raise a child before they can have sex.

No my theory is not bizzare. My example was to point out the absurdity of such a situation. The same applies to a pregnant couple wanting the benefits of sex without any of the responsibility.

Indeed. Being prepared for the consequences of your actions is a responsible thing to do. Every person engaging in sex - mitigating contraceptive use or not - must be prepared for the chance/eventuality of falling pregnant. The couple need not be ready with the money prior to falling pregnant to fulfill the obligations to the best interests of the child, but must have a reasonable means or expectation of acquiring it.

Like a job. Or two.

There should also be a reasonable expectation that before the act, the couple should be committed to each other that should the eventuality of pregnancy manifest, they will proceed together in the best interests of their child. Our ancestors already figured this out. Perhaps they had some pretty good ideas.

Come back to planet earth please.

I'm right here. Where I live, people take responsibility for their actions. You might not believe you are culpable for your actions, but at the end of the day, it is others that suffer.

 

[airborne]

It’s the gun lobbyists at it again, knew it!

 

[tetrasect]

Mitigating against a potential outcome does not absolve you of responsibility if that outcome comes to fruition.

Not sure how you get that the obligation to perform in a responsible manner is somehow inexorably linked to the Bible.

If by modern medicine you mean performing abortions, that has been around for thousands of years, albeit, more physical.

People electing themselves into situations that bring hardship is not unfair. People do it all the time when they take out credit cards or loans.
My issue is with responsibility. Having sex, getting pregnant, then whining about "undue hardship" is ridiculous. The "hardship" was elected into.

Also, abortions are not a form of contraceptive. Stop treating it like that.

No my theory is not bizzare. My example was to point out the absurdity of such a situation. The same applies to a pregnant couple wanting the benefits of sex without any of the responsibility.

Indeed. Being prepared for the consequences of your actions is a responsible thing to do. Every person engaging in sex - mitigating contraceptive use or not - must be prepared for the chance/eventuality of falling pregnant. The couple need not be ready with the money prior to falling pregnant to fulfill the obligations to the best interests of the child, but must have a reasonable means or expectation of acquiring it.

Like a job. Or two.

There should also be a reasonable expectation that before the act, the couple should be committed to each other that should the eventuality of pregnancy manifest, they will proceed together in the best interests of their child. Our ancestors already figured this out. Perhaps they had some pretty good ideas.


I'm right here. Where I live, people take responsibility for their actions. You might not believe you are culpable for your actions, but at the end of the day, it is others that suffer.

Yeah ok in your little fantasy world people "are obliged" to be "committed to each other" and be willing and prepared to have a kid before engaging in sex, and are forbidden from using abortion pills (and perhaps even contraception, you haven't decided yet).

In the real world, such an obligation does not exist. It's frankly ridiculous that you think it does.

 

[agentrfr]

Yeah ok in your little fantasy world people "are obliged" to be "committed to each other", be willing, and be prepared to have a kid before engaging in sex, and are forbidden from using abortion pills (and perhaps even contraception, you haven't decided yet).

Saying you should be prepared to have a child before you have sex is not a ridiculous assertion.

I did not say people are " "obliged" to be "committed to each other"". I said that people have certain obligations. And should be held accountable to those obligations.

In the real world, such an obligation does not exist. It's frankly ridiculous that you think it does.

Kek.

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