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Gyre

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That's what I used to believe up until at least 30 years of age when I was guided by atheism, 'The Science', 'undeniable facts', etc. Believe me, even at the time I was a lot smarter and wiser than most people. I was literally a carbon copy of you and your friends on this forum, and as egocentric in my thinking as it gets... Eek!

How wrong I was. It saddens me deeply how people have been detached from god/spirituality and/or finding god/spirituality. And that's absolutely not in the religious sense. Abortion is one of the many ways in which modern people are being disconnected from god/spirituality, leading to rapid decay.

Even as a Daoist Pantheist, nowadays I can actually appreciate religion, as other than the obvious bad, there is a lot of good it does. Spiritually and socio-economically.

It's you who are the ignorant ones, believing you know it all, when in reality you actually know very little.

I truly hope you one day find god/spirituality, in what ever form or interpretation you come across on your journey,

I suppose if the only thing defining you as a person or individual was a belief, then you would be a carbon copy of quite a few people, you've just selected a different copy to be now.

So what convinced you? I give as much merit to your awakening as I do to a 40 year old who finds out they're actually the wrong sex trapped in the wrong body. I don't need a back story or emotional rant, I know when facts are facts.

We may both know very little, but enough people know that believing in fantasies and imaginary things isn't healthy.

I hope that you too wake up one day to the delusions and realize you can be the same person you are now, minus all the mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus. Maybe even better, because you'll be realistic and have a dab of skepticism in your arsenal.
 

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Saying you should be prepared to have a child before you have sex is not a ridiculous assertion.

Yes it is.

I did not say people are " "obliged" to be "committed to each other"". I said that people have certain obligations. And should be held accountable to those obligations.

Kek.

You are talking kek. Nowhere does it say there that there is a legal (or otherwise) obligation to be willing and prepared to have a child in order to have sex.
 
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tetrasect

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I suppose if the only thing defining you as a person or individual was a belief, then you would be a carbon copy of quite a few people, you've just selected a different copy to be now.

So what convinced you? I give as much merit to your awakening as I do to a 40 year old who finds out they're actually the wrong sex trapped in the wrong body. I don't need a back story or emotional rant, I know when facts are facts.

We may both know very little, but enough people know that believing in fantasies and imaginary things isn't healthy.

I hope that you too wake up one day to the delusions and realize you can be the same person you are now, minus all the mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus. Maybe even better, because you'll be realistic and have a dab of skepticism in your arsenal.

I find that most "reborn" types went through serious trauma or addiction and used the idea of god as a psychological tool to "ask for help" or to feel secure about "everything turning out alright" when they or others go to heaven (or even hell in the case of something like murder of a loved one).

Haven't really met anyone who doesn't use it basically as some kind of mental crutch to avoid or deny a reality they may not be comfortable with...

Makes sense cause if you actually wanted to explore questions like the purpose of life or the mysteries of existence you would become quickly frustrated with the crude answers given in the bible.
 

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I find that most "reborn" types went through serious trauma or addiction and used the idea of god as a psychological tool to "ask for help" or to feel secure about "everything turning out alright" when they or others go to heaven or even hell in the case of something like murder of a loved one.

Haven't really met anyone who doesn't use it basically as some kind of mental crutch to avoid or deny a reality they may not be comfortable with...

Makes sense cause if you actually wanted to explore questions like the purpose of life or the mysteries of existence you would become quickly frustrated with the crude answers given in the bible.

You seem like a very nice person. Let's use our religious hatred to dunk on those that are victims of a cruel society.

Not a cool vibe.
 

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I suppose if the only thing defining you as a person or individual was a belief, then you would be a carbon copy of quite a few people, you've just selected a different copy to be now.

So what convinced you? I give as much merit to your awakening as I do to a 40 year old who finds out they're actually the wrong sex trapped in the wrong body. I don't need a back story or emotional rant, I know when facts are facts.

We may both know very little, but enough people know that believing in fantasies and imaginary things isn't healthy.

I hope that you too wake up one day to the delusions and realize you can be the same person you are now, minus all the mumbo jumbo and hocus pocus. Maybe even better, because you'll be realistic and have a dab of skepticism in your arsenal.
Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and magic mushrooms.




Just jokes!

Mostly from my own research since I grew without a strong male role model and had to get through life in the deep end on my own, where I started off like you (your beliefs) because I needed to build walls and think egotistically as a coping mechanism, and then continued growing through a pursuit of knowledge and wisdom after listening to more older/wiser people in person instead of know-it-alls on forums like these, and instead of thinking I had all the answers.

I've also had a lot of eye-opening experiences around pharmaceuticals/healthcare/dermatology/pulmonology (Covid), etc. where I was able to understand the actual lack of care and how big business and big pharma, as well as politicians, mix in order to enable lifetimes of profits by keeping people sick, etc.

It's funny because 10 years ago I would say the exact same things/'facts' as people like yourself do today. You're clouded by thinking in absolutes, and that things are either right or wrong, black or white, left or right, and so on. This thinking kills the soul, and understanding of all the colour and nuance in between. So much of life comes down to our interpretation of things. We are more similar than we are different.

My luck of associating with the top 0.1% of Capetonian society through most of my life, particularly in the past 15 years at a professional level as a self-employed service provider, also helped tremendously. Talking to extremely successful people both financially and spiritually. I find that wealthy people have a tendency to unlock many more life secrets and ancient wisdom and knowledge than others.

Hopefully this resonates with you in some way!
 

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You are talking kek. Nowhere does it say there that there is a legal (or otherwise) obligation to be willing and prepared to have a child in order to have sex.

Interesting.

I was literally kak scared of just the thought of ever having to explain to my parents I got someone pregnant.

That principle carried through to adulthood where even to this day I worry at the thought and expense/responsibility of having a child, even though now I am more prepared for it should it happen.

Not saying I'm perfect, but I honestly always just thought it would be my problem and my responsibility. Abortion hardly ever enters my mind on this topic though.

Hell, even getting a pet is like a major decision with me.
 

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Yes it is.
Is it ridiculous to hold one accountable for their actions that affects others?

You are talking kek. Nowhere does it say there that there is a legal (or otherwise) obligation to be willing and prepared to have a child in order to have sex.
See section 28 of the constitution. Also see the Children’s Act, Child Justice Act and Sexual Offences Act.

The point I made above relating to the Law of Damages, is that there is a clear and concise obligation to other members of society to maintain their patrimony. (By way of responding to your comment "In the real world, such an obligation does not exist. It's frankly ridiculous that you think it does. ")

Section 28 of the constitution, the Children’s Act, Child Justice Act and Sexual Offences Act clearly outline that parents have an obligation to the best interests of their children.
 

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I find that most "reborn" types went through serious trauma or addiction and used the idea of god as a psychological tool to "ask for help" or to feel secure about "everything turning out alright" when they or others go to heaven (or even hell in the case of something like murder of a loved one).

Haven't really met anyone who doesn't use it basically as some kind of mental crutch to avoid or deny a reality they may not be comfortable with...

Makes sense cause if you actually wanted to explore questions like the purpose of life or the mysteries of existence you would become quickly frustrated with the crude answers given in the bible.
Bwahahaha!
 

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Interesting.

I was literally kak scared of just the thought of ever having to explain to my parents I got someone pregnant.

That principle carried through to adulthood where even to this day I worry at the thought and expense/responsibility of having a child, even though now I am more prepared for it should it happen.

Not saying I'm perfect, but I honestly always just thought it would be my problem and my responsibility. Abortion hardly ever enters my mind on this topic though.

Hell, even getting a pet is like a major decision with me.
You're doing a good job. I applaud you for being a responsible human being and exercising capacity to think about how your actions affect those beyond just yourself.
 

tetrasect

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You seem like a very nice person. Let's use our religious hatred to dunk on those that are victims of a cruel society.

Not a cool vibe.

Unfortunately getting stuck in the denial phase is not the most healthy thing to do. You can't get rid of suffering with fantasies of an afterlife. It might be more difficult, but only dealing with reality head on will bring true peace. And this reality is more beautiful, magical and inspiring than an imaginary friend and crude bible verses could ever be.
 

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You seem like a very nice person. Let's use our religious hatred to dunk on those that are victims of a cruel society.

Not a cool vibe.

The only religious victims are those that have been tricked by religion, or brainwashed from an early age. Unfortunately that affects a lot of their views, on things like abortion and many actions(rape, accidents, circumstances, etc) being part of some magical ghosts "plan".
 

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Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, and magic mushrooms.


Just jokes!

Mostly from my own research since I grew without a strong male role model and had to get through life in the deep end on my own, where I started off like you (your beliefs) because I needed to build walls and think egotistically as a coping mechanism, and then continued growing through a pursuit of knowledge and wisdom after listening to more older/wiser people in person instead of know-it-alls on forums like these, and instead of thinking I had all the answers.

I've also had a lot of eye-opening experiences around pharmaceuticals/healthcare/dermatology/pulmonology (Covid), etc. where I was able to understand the actual lack of care and how big business and big pharma, as well as politicians, mix in order to enable lifetimes of profits by keeping people sick, etc.

It's funny because 10 years ago I would say the exact same things/'facts' as people like yourself do today. You're clouded by thinking in absolutes, and that things are either right or wrong, black or white, left or right, and so on. This thinking kills the soul, and understanding of all the colour and nuance in between. So much of life comes down to our interpretation of things. We are more similar than we are different.

My luck of associating with the top 0.1% of Capetonian society through most of my life, particularly in the past 15 years at a professional level as a self-employed service provider, also helped tremendously. Talking to extremely successful people both financially and spiritually. I find that wealthy people have a tendency to unlock many more life secrets and ancient wisdom and knowledge than others.

Hopefully this resonates with you in some way!

I actually think that this is the nicest interaction I have had with you, and you have been overwhelming positive despite my negativity. I am very grateful for your comments and I do want you to know that I will take them to heart, and I am also grateful for you being unfailingly polite and taking the time to go into detail.
 

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Is it ridiculous to hold one accountable for their actions that affects others?


See section 28 of the constitution. Also see the Children’s Act, Child Justice Act and Sexual Offences Act.

The point I made above relating to the Law of Damages, is that there is a clear and concise obligation to other members of society to maintain their patrimony. (By way of responding to your comment "In the real world, such an obligation does not exist. It's frankly ridiculous that you think it does. ")

Section 28 of the constitution, the Children’s Act, Child Justice Act and Sexual Offences Act clearly outline that parents have an obligation to the best interests of their children.

None of that says that prohibits sex unless you are willing, prepared and ready to raise a child.

You're attempting some serious goalpost shifting.
 

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I actually think that this is the nicest interaction I have had with you, and you have been overwhelming positive despite my negativity. I am very grateful for your comments and I do want you to know that I will take them to heart, and I am also grateful for you being unfailingly polite and taking the time to go into detail.
Pleasure bro. Likewise!

I think you'll enjoy my post here – https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/the-shroom-thread.977365/post-28818482.

My soul was corrupt before. Most things were either right or wrong, correct or false, black or white, the correct way of doing things or the incorrect way, and so on. I was a staunch atheist and disbeliever in concepts and practitioners linked to the natural world and order. I would write off things like homeopathy, hypnotherapy, card readers, etc. in an instant.

The forum played a huge role in my life, growing up without a present father and finding things out for myself. It’s been the most amazing tool for knowledge which has contributed so much to my career.

But the negative side is the constant debate about things, participated by people much like I was – people with corrupt souls who have either lost their way on their life journey, or were raised unconnected to their soul, or who experienced trauma which disconnected them from their soul (like myself), and so on.

It creates very ignorant, unwise, argumentative, and often bitter people.

This is why I left the forum last time. It was a source of ‘soul corruption’, which went against my inner voice and being.

Soul is a very broad term or label, encompassing many aspects of ourselves: Intuition, gut feeling, the spirit within, etc. We all feel it and I believe know it, but it’s our interpretation of this ‘inner director’ which we often interpret differently.

Corrupt souls, I believe, will write it off as ‘common sense’, without exploring the magnitude of the depths that lie further down the rabbit hole. It leads to a, what I believe, sad existence, and how I was, and how many people on the forum are, hence leaving.

Mushrooms, I find, are a tool to very quickly break down one’s walls, barriers of trauma, and learnt dogma, in order to access one’s soul within, communicate with it, let it teach you about life and particularly your life, etc.

It’s a similar process that hypnotherapists, for example, use to help people face trauma and battles, by accessing their souls and internal intuition, etc. These gifted people who have unlocked secrets of life, are merely deeply knowledgeable vessels or guiders who transport us to within ourselves, to our souls. We do the viewing, searching, interpreting, and the communicating of what we uncover. We heal ourselves.

Teachers are people with deep wisdom and ancient knowledge. They are gurus and people who have mastered their spirituality, understanding of the soul, nature, universe, etc.

Yesterday, we were parked off (serendipity led us to parking at this exact spot) and this strange man walked up from the rock pools below the road, carrying a huge piece of kelp, proceeding to pack it into the back of his Volvo station wagon’s boot. I thought, I have to talk to this man, “What lessons does he have to teach me?”.

Everything was timed perfectly, and after standing against his bonnet for 15 minutes watching the sunset, he walked back to his car. Just as he started getting in, I shouted (parked behind him along the road, about 20m away from one another): “Hey man! How are you? May I ask what you’re collecting kelp for?”

He walked up to my window, and ended up giving us 30 minutes of his time and profound wisdom, in the dark, in the cold after a swim, standing on the tar at our car, as others zoomed past. Turns out he was collecting kelp because he believes it can help his cannabis plants’ phosphorous deficiencies, which is true. We exchanged technical knowledge of cannabis, and settled on digging a trench alongside his plants, burying the kelp, and letting nature take its course.

I then told him that we were actually on a shroom trip and rather f*cked, which he warmed to, telling us he also grows them. Wow, did he then take me down the rabbit hole with such great guidance and spiritual teachings. Spoken in such a gentle, articulate way, but with this force of deep humble confidence in the way he spoke. I asked him a few questions, and he answered in such detail, which resonated perfectly with me, and my journey. Much of what he said focused around knowing the soul, and that we are all on journeys, different ones, and that we all hold our answers within us, and that many of us in tune with ourselves and nature enough, all end up in the same place, spiritually. The journey of the soul.

He also spoke a lot about Terrence McKenna and his teachings, which I’d gotten into before but didn’t quite understand how to interpret it, at the time. Now I know.

We spoke about love and marriage, and he gave us deep answers about love and spirituality. And I’m really lucky to be journeying with another person, my life partner. We also spoke about my own spiritual journey and quest for wisdom and ancient knowledge. From teachers just like himself.

This guy was one in a million – born German, grew up in Morocco and Malawi, and lived in Thailand and somewhere else. He makes soap, skincare and aromatherapy products, etc. Lives out at Cape Point in off the grid a small hut where he and his husband have their shop, in a very boho area filled with rich energy.

My partner and I, extremely strong personality people who often clash, now have a code word to be used in the heights of arguments, in order to remind ourselves of this great teacher, and how he blessed. I will be visiting him soon as he believes he saw me in his Mayan cards.

Up until last night, I would never have given this any time of day!

I am converted. It’s not whether card reading is bullsh*t or not – that’s small-brain stuff. It’s our interpretation of them on our journeys to connect with our souls, which matter.
 

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Religion of peace..

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None of that says that prohibits sex unless you are willing, prepared and ready to raise a child.

You're attempting some serious goalpost shifting.
It says that you have a certain level of obligation toward the best interests of your child.

It's not goalpost shifting. It's acting responsibly.

Ignorance is not an acceptable defense.
Code:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
 

tetrasect

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It says that you have a certain level of obligation toward the best interests of your child.

It's not goalpost shifting. It's acting responsibly.

Ignorance is not an acceptable defense.
Code:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat

Holy cow....

You said financial reasons are not valid for an abortion because anyone having sex is obligated to be both willing to give birth and raise a child, as well as be prepared for the birth of said child.

When I pointed out what absolute BS that is, you respond with a link to 9 pages of unrelated legal jargon and tell me to read the Children's Act.

Now you seriously lost the plot with this "ignorance of the law" crap.

Let me explain how it works in the real world.

People have sex. Sometimes they don't even know each other (shocking right?). They are unwilling and unprepared (financially, emotionally and whatever you wanna add here) to have a baby, yet they still have sex. For fun.

Bizarre, right? Welcome to planet earth.
 
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Interesting.

I was literally kak scared of just the thought of ever having to explain to my parents I got someone pregnant.

That principle carried through to adulthood where even to this day I worry at the thought and expense/responsibility of having a child, even though now I am more prepared for it should it happen.

Not saying I'm perfect, but I honestly always just thought it would be my problem and my responsibility. Abortion hardly ever enters my mind on this topic though.

Hell, even getting a pet is like a major decision with me.
And this was the basics of a functioning society, people taking responsibility for themselves and their children. But, to many on the pro baby killers on the forum, being responsible is too much too ask.
 
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