JUST IN | US Supreme Court ends constitutional right to abortion

[Vorastra]

Could have just used your avatar for this post. Very screechy indeed.

lol like primary school "no but you" tactics.

 

[C4Cat]

Constitutional rights aren't made by the judiciary, or you'd be living under an Kritarchy. Constitutional rights are made by amendments to the constitution by the lawfully instituted legislature, with clear rules and absolute majorities. Hence, it at least aspires to be a Republic.

It's not just America either. The UK recently created a Supreme Court out of thin air for some bizarre reason, when the greatest feature of their common law system was that you could have your judicially relevant case heard by the Greatest Peers in the Kingdom, in the form of the House of Lords.

All constitutional rights and laws are made up by people. Including the laws that make a legislature 'lawfully instituted'. Constitutional rights and laws change over time as do the 'clear rules' around who gets to make them. All of them made up 'out of thin air' as Arthur puts it. So saying the laws around abortion were made up out of thin air, as if that makes them invalid or any different to any other laws of the land, is absurd.

 

[C4Cat]

No...

Yep

 

[Emjay]

Praise be.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Isn't the SC merely returning the decision to legislators/states, much like in most of Europe?

 

[GrootVoet]

Joe Biden blasts 'unAmerican' Supreme Court anti-abortion ruling

The US Supreme Court has ended constitutional protections for abortion that had been in place nearly 50 years in a decision by its conservative majority to overturn Roe v Wade.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Must say I enjoy how the left is going into meltdown about this.

But seriously, I agree woman have rights but they first they have responsibilities and practicing only safe sex in a relationship should be one. Indiscretion should not cost a life.

The SC did not make abortion illegal, it just said it is not a given right every state should decide what the law must be.

 

[Garson007]

All constitutional rights and laws are made up by people. Including the laws that make a legislature 'lawfully instituted'. Constitutional rights and laws change over time as do the 'clear rules' around who gets to make them. All of them made up 'out of thin air' as Arthur puts it. So saying the laws around abortion were made up out of thin air, as if that makes them invalid or any different to any other laws of the land, is absurd.

Then it stops being a republic.

 

[greg0205]

Ever since WWII the court was dominated by liberal justices, including some very activist courts like the Warren courts.

Laws should be made by the legislature, and the legislature has been broken ever since the 17th amendment and the dogmatic reverence for the filibuster. Congress can change abortion laws for the entire country, but refuses to do so. It was never and should never have been the remit of SCOTUS.

There's an argument that there shouldn't be a scotus at all, and every day I like it more and more.

Not sure if you spent a lot of time in the Trumpie threads, but if you did, you'd recall I was the one constantly screaming about getting rid of the goddamn filibuster... That said, I think the bigger issue with senate representation is the number of voters they represent... WY with just over half a million inhabitants has two senators... CA with 39 million folks get Dianne and Alex.

The vast majority of Americans are underrepresented in the senate, and minority voices carry the day... Add to that folks like Newt making the senate a death-match to prove tribal loyalty and the whole thing is a dumpster fire.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I don't understand... How are people affected by a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy she does not want?

Because Jesus.

 

[JayM]

I suppose this makes sense...they need a ready supply of kids to get shot in school.

 

[Emjay]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540339085230968834

The world so many here on MyBB yearn for... Women in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant with two black eyes, contraception illegal and gay or trans folks illegal too.

Gilead.

Anyway...

"At every crossroads on the path that leads to the future, tradition has placed 10 000 men to guard the past." - Maurice Maeterlinck

You carried on about QAnon for years, and here you are, our very own BlueAnon.

 

[Arthur]

All constitutional rights and laws are made up by people. Including the laws that make a legislature 'lawfully instituted'. Constitutional rights and laws change over time as do the 'clear rules' around who gets to make them. All of them made up 'out of thin air' as Arthur puts it. So saying the laws around abortion were made up out of thin air, as if that makes them invalid or any different to any other laws of the land, is absurd.

You fundamentally misunderstand American constitutionality.

Laws are made by the legislature, ie Congress. Not the Supreme Court. This is very clearly outlined in the US Constitution, and in countless court decisions.This principle goes to the heart of the separation of powers doctrine which is foundational to the US Constitution.

It was the activist Supreme Court in 1973 that invented a "constitutional right" out of thin air. It mysteriously found a "constitutional right to abortion" in the Constitution that had somehow eluded judges, lawyers, politicians, academics and experts for 180 years.

All today's decision does is return the matter to the States and their electorates. Which, constitutionally speaking, is where it belongs.

 

[GrootVoet]

I suppose this makes sense...they need a ready supply of kids to get shot in school.

Guns are not the problem with school shootings, America always had lots of guns but school shootings only started in the last ~ two decades. So you need to ask what changed in the America society during this time? Figure that out and solve it and school shooting will stop.

 

[Emjay]

Embryo, Speedster. Embryo or foetus.

Out of the womb is covered by law already... The charge would be murder, as you've usefully pointed out with your red herring.

Yes, because as the baby is passing the birth canal it gets the fairy dust that makes it a life and worthy of having rights.

Duh. ScIeNCe!

 

[saturnz]

Must say I enjoy how the left is going into meltdown about this.

The democratic party is not really left, they are just to the left of the republicans.

 

[JayM]

Guns are not the problem with school shootings, America always had lots of guns but school shootings only started in the last ~ two decades. So you need to ask what changed in the America society during this time? Figure that out and solve it and school shooting will stop.

Now where exactly did I mention that guns are the problem? You jumped straight to that conclusion all by yourself - well done!

 

[SauRoNZA]

Why don't women stop getting screwed?
Can they not choose?
Is it only their body their choice when it comes to abortion?
Are they too dumb to make a choice to not ho around?
Why do you think so little of women?
Why do you hate women?

Now just imagine if you were able to get pregnant, how absurd this would sound to you as a man.

 

[GrootVoet]

There's an argument that there shouldn't be a scotus at all, and every day I like it more and more.

But is in the past when the majority was liberal SCOTUS was ok, now that it's conservative leaning is must go.

Not sure if you spent a lot of time in the Trumpie threads, but if you did, you'd recall I was the one constantly screaming about getting rid of the goddamn filibuster... That said, I think the bigger issue with senate representation is the number of voters they represent... WY with just over half a million inhabitants has two senators... CA with 39 million folks get Dianne and Alex.

Well at the rate people are leaving CA soon they will only have one senator.

The vast majority of Americans are underrepresented in the senate, and minority voices carry the day... Add to that folks like Newt making the senate a death-match to prove tribal loyalty and the whole thing is a dumpster fire.

This notation that the voting system is not working and needs reform is a Democrate play because they need a way to stay in power. Their policies are not working and they loosing support.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Premature babies survive all the time. It seems the only difference between a premature baby and a foetus is society kills one and saves the other.

My daughter was two months premature, there were even younger premature babies in the premature ward, eye opener that, but you guys salivate at the thought of a baby being brutally killed.

And about 20-30 weeks.

 

[Dave]

Can women not control who they ho around with?

What about the men who ho around?