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antowan
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During the day it sucks, but at night is improves drasticly!
It really is fun downloading from Kazaa at night... [
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Cheers
Antowan
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It really is fun downloading from Kazaa at night... [
)]Cheers
Antowan
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit
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I agree with Telkom that kazaa should be slow. Why should people be downloading illegal musice anyway?
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Yeah right! You wish they were completley LEGAL files. The closest statement will be 100% ILLEGAL FILES. Martin, do you ever read PC magazines because the RIAA are trying to CLOSE down P2P networks. Maybe in your fantasy world there is legal music but we live in the REAL world.
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Hi Dominic
The issue here is not about the legality of peer 2 peer. I firmly believe that the music industry should adapt rather than expect the internet to adapt to them. Sharing files online is not illegal. The fact that there are illegal software and music floating around is a different issue altogether. The music industry must either find ways to make their music copy proof, lower costs or perhaps find a way of selling music through these peer 2 peer netorks.
The reasoning that the peer 2 peer networks should be shut down because it makes them uncomfortable is insane because then you might as well shut down the lines that carry the data these networks use and perhaps ask the whole world to stop using the internet because the internet by default makes the dissemination of information easy!
I agree there is a problem with illegal audio and software on these networks. I even agree that most of the traffic on these networks might be illegal.
But what you support is the same as shutting down a telephone company because criminals use telephones to plan acts of crime. In SA most of the telephonic communication might well be of the illegal kind.
I propose harsh sentences for offenders. Sentences may include barring a person from using an electronic device like a computer, television or telephone for one month or the likes. They do this with teenage hackers who get caught to great effect. This does not and should not include prison time!
Forced community service may also be an option for punishment.
These punishments keeps the offender in his or her community because these crimes generally do not hurt the community they live in.
Cheers
Antowan
He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
The issue here is not about the legality of peer 2 peer. I firmly believe that the music industry should adapt rather than expect the internet to adapt to them. Sharing files online is not illegal. The fact that there are illegal software and music floating around is a different issue altogether. The music industry must either find ways to make their music copy proof, lower costs or perhaps find a way of selling music through these peer 2 peer netorks.
The reasoning that the peer 2 peer networks should be shut down because it makes them uncomfortable is insane because then you might as well shut down the lines that carry the data these networks use and perhaps ask the whole world to stop using the internet because the internet by default makes the dissemination of information easy!
I agree there is a problem with illegal audio and software on these networks. I even agree that most of the traffic on these networks might be illegal.
But what you support is the same as shutting down a telephone company because criminals use telephones to plan acts of crime. In SA most of the telephonic communication might well be of the illegal kind.
I propose harsh sentences for offenders. Sentences may include barring a person from using an electronic device like a computer, television or telephone for one month or the likes. They do this with teenage hackers who get caught to great effect. This does not and should not include prison time!
Forced community service may also be an option for punishment.
These punishments keeps the offender in his or her community because these crimes generally do not hurt the community they live in.
Cheers
Antowan
He who does not understand the value of war at the right time, cannot comprehend the value of life at any time - Anonymous
The RIAA only has jurisdiction in the US, they will never close down P2P networks. In my opinion the RIAA is doing more damage to the music industry with their Gestapo tactics than the file sharers themselves. Also if you read more than a few PC magazines you would learn that US courts are actually getting fed up with the RIAA clogging up the system with frivolous lawsuits and have subsequently revoked their subpoena powers.
In a study conducted earlier last year it was revealed that:
- 42% of all requests were for adult or child pornography
- 38% of all requests were for copyrighted audio files.
(www.palisadesys.com/news&events/p2pstudy.pdf)
I myself hardly ever use it and when I do it's for PDF's or images... I'm tired of porn and CD's I get at a discount from a mate at a music store. But if 42% of the people wanna adult images let them - it's no-one else's business unless it's child porn.
Speaking of adult images, <i>noone</i> pause your KPP download queue u're slowing Sentech down man! [)]
<font color="navy"><font size="1"><b>Where others have progress, we have Telkom.</b>
Hellkom website - http://telkomsucks.0catch.com</font id="size1"></font id="navy">
- 42% of all requests were for adult or child pornography
- 38% of all requests were for copyrighted audio files.
(www.palisadesys.com/news&events/p2pstudy.pdf)
I myself hardly ever use it and when I do it's for PDF's or images... I'm tired of porn and CD's I get at a discount from a mate at a music store. But if 42% of the people wanna adult images let them - it's no-one else's business unless it's child porn.
Speaking of adult images, <i>noone</i> pause your KPP download queue u're slowing Sentech down man! [
)]<font color="navy"><font size="1"><b>Where others have progress, we have Telkom.</b>
Hellkom website - http://telkomsucks.0catch.com</font id="size1"></font id="navy">
Alot of open source projects are now using the ed2k network to distribute their files. P2P networks have a natural trait of averaging out network usage, saving many projects a tonn on having to host their files.
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit
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Obviously the music industry should adapt to technology but they're a bit on the slow side. The point I'm objecting to is that even though music industry will adapt, it won't really affect illegal file-sharing
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dominic Rooney</i>
<br />Yeah right! You wish they were completley LEGAL files. The closest statement will be 100% ILLEGAL FILES. Martin, do you ever read PC magazines because the RIAA are trying to CLOSE down P2P networks. Maybe in your fantasy world there is legal music but we live in the REAL world.
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Dominic, without getting into another pointless argument with you, yes there are many completely legal files on P2P networks. How do I know this? Because I actually shared some of them for a friend of mine who is a struggling artist who is trying to get his music out there and listened to.
There is even a special licence called Creative Commons under which one can share one's work with everyone and only retain certain rights. Authors like Cory Doctorow have released two novels under such a license with great success. People are allowed to download and share his works for free and he still makes money from selling hard copies. He sold thousands more copies of his book because one could also download it for free and that generated a lot of word of mouth advertising.
So please, before accusing me of living in a fantasy world, get your facts straight.
<br />Yeah right! You wish they were completley LEGAL files. The closest statement will be 100% ILLEGAL FILES. Martin, do you ever read PC magazines because the RIAA are trying to CLOSE down P2P networks. Maybe in your fantasy world there is legal music but we live in the REAL world.
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Dominic, without getting into another pointless argument with you, yes there are many completely legal files on P2P networks. How do I know this? Because I actually shared some of them for a friend of mine who is a struggling artist who is trying to get his music out there and listened to.
There is even a special licence called Creative Commons under which one can share one's work with everyone and only retain certain rights. Authors like Cory Doctorow have released two novels under such a license with great success. People are allowed to download and share his works for free and he still makes money from selling hard copies. He sold thousands more copies of his book because one could also download it for free and that generated a lot of word of mouth advertising.
So please, before accusing me of living in a fantasy world, get your facts straight.
Dominic,
While I don't condone the way peer to peer networks operate (sucking bandwidth from the masses) and while it is true that some content is shared illegally on these networks, this is still a long way off from making peer to peer file sharing illegal.
The recording industry will call it illegal, because it is "bad for profits," not only because people will sometimes be inclined to download, rather than to purchase, but because it stimulates a free market economy in the recording world.
After the Second World War, recording was mostly the domain of large American companies or what remained of the rich European aristrocracy. The quipment and skills to produce recordings was in very short supply.
For most of the 20th century following the war, recording remained the domain of the large corporation or extremely wealthy private individual.
In many cases, artists would be contracted to record for a company, no artist could dream of having the financial means to purchase his own equipment and perform the recording himself.
The recording industry knew this and made sure to capitalize on it. Artists would often sign contracts where they would receive a mere 5% - 10% of the revenue generated by record sales and where the record company would retain all copy right in the works.
Now, for Britney Titney Spears and her friends from the Boy Band Brigade, that's not such a problem, since the world's teenagers always forget to take one vital item to the record store, their cerebrum.
Teenagers and mentally retarded adults will always buy the commercially targetted, mindless excrement produced by these so-called artists, promoted with million-dollar budgets by their record companies.
However, not all artists will sell 50 million copies in the first week. An unknown artist, new to the recording scene, producing serious music, will rarely sell more than 1000 copies of his first album.
At 5%, that's a maximum of R7 500 even if the CD sells at full price (R150).
That's about enough to support an artist for one month, and they would do better just getting a day job teaching at the local university.
However, in recent years, the equipment to produce quality recordings has become inexpensive enough to be within the reach of the general public. Also, using this equipment has become easy enough that most technically skilled people can use it to produce recordings of commercial quality.
By financing a recording himself, an artist can also collect all of the revenue from the recording. My dad recently recorded a CD of chamber music works. The project cost us roughly R16 000, but if we sell 500 copies, we will have made a profit of R44 000.
Here's where peer to peer networks come in. Many artists these days have taken to the idea of releasing atleast some part of their work under a license similar to Creative Commons (or under the CC license itself.)
These works can then be distributed easily by P2P networks to reach markets that the artist would normally never be able to promote to. The artist can then collect a decent profit selling the rest of the work in CD form, and in the case of modern music, in the secondary merchandising market (think t-shirts and autographed toilet seats)
The record industry do not like this. At all.
The main reason big corporations disagree with P2P file sharing is not because it hurts their sales so badly, but because it is quickly taking away from them, their monopoly on recording. That's a good thing. It means more artists can have access to the recording market, and will stimulate growth in the industry.
It's a bad thing for the large record companies who usually just ignore the real artist and focus on peddling mindless, dull, monotonous garbage to the intoxicated masses.
Losing their monopoly on recording would mean the big corporations would have to start working for their money again, instead of just over-promoting some anorexic blonde ex-stripper and making millions over night, before people realise it is garbage and can't return the CD due to "copyright restrictions."
Willie Viljoen
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While I don't condone the way peer to peer networks operate (sucking bandwidth from the masses) and while it is true that some content is shared illegally on these networks, this is still a long way off from making peer to peer file sharing illegal.
The recording industry will call it illegal, because it is "bad for profits," not only because people will sometimes be inclined to download, rather than to purchase, but because it stimulates a free market economy in the recording world.
After the Second World War, recording was mostly the domain of large American companies or what remained of the rich European aristrocracy. The quipment and skills to produce recordings was in very short supply.
For most of the 20th century following the war, recording remained the domain of the large corporation or extremely wealthy private individual.
In many cases, artists would be contracted to record for a company, no artist could dream of having the financial means to purchase his own equipment and perform the recording himself.
The recording industry knew this and made sure to capitalize on it. Artists would often sign contracts where they would receive a mere 5% - 10% of the revenue generated by record sales and where the record company would retain all copy right in the works.
Now, for Britney Titney Spears and her friends from the Boy Band Brigade, that's not such a problem, since the world's teenagers always forget to take one vital item to the record store, their cerebrum.
Teenagers and mentally retarded adults will always buy the commercially targetted, mindless excrement produced by these so-called artists, promoted with million-dollar budgets by their record companies.
However, not all artists will sell 50 million copies in the first week. An unknown artist, new to the recording scene, producing serious music, will rarely sell more than 1000 copies of his first album.
At 5%, that's a maximum of R7 500 even if the CD sells at full price (R150).
That's about enough to support an artist for one month, and they would do better just getting a day job teaching at the local university.
However, in recent years, the equipment to produce quality recordings has become inexpensive enough to be within the reach of the general public. Also, using this equipment has become easy enough that most technically skilled people can use it to produce recordings of commercial quality.
By financing a recording himself, an artist can also collect all of the revenue from the recording. My dad recently recorded a CD of chamber music works. The project cost us roughly R16 000, but if we sell 500 copies, we will have made a profit of R44 000.
Here's where peer to peer networks come in. Many artists these days have taken to the idea of releasing atleast some part of their work under a license similar to Creative Commons (or under the CC license itself.)
These works can then be distributed easily by P2P networks to reach markets that the artist would normally never be able to promote to. The artist can then collect a decent profit selling the rest of the work in CD form, and in the case of modern music, in the secondary merchandising market (think t-shirts and autographed toilet seats)
The record industry do not like this. At all.
The main reason big corporations disagree with P2P file sharing is not because it hurts their sales so badly, but because it is quickly taking away from them, their monopoly on recording. That's a good thing. It means more artists can have access to the recording market, and will stimulate growth in the industry.
It's a bad thing for the large record companies who usually just ignore the real artist and focus on peddling mindless, dull, monotonous garbage to the intoxicated masses.
Losing their monopoly on recording would mean the big corporations would have to start working for their money again, instead of just over-promoting some anorexic blonde ex-stripper and making millions over night, before people realise it is garbage and can't return the CD due to "copyright restrictions."
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by podo</i>
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Now, for Britney Titney Spears and her friends from the Boy Band Brigade, that's not such a problem, since the world's teenagers always forget to take one vital item to the record store, their cerebrum.
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[] That comment just about made my day []
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Now, for Britney Titney Spears and her friends from the Boy Band Brigade, that's not such a problem, since the world's teenagers always forget to take one vital item to the record store, their cerebrum.
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All I wnted to know was the speeds, But thanks anyway for hijackeing my thread . Maybe next time someone could start one called "why P2P should be banned" etc. But remember if theres no P2P we all will have to pay for our porno movies.
P.S I was using Shareza on Dial-up and getting 50-20 kb/sec 8)
. Maybe next time someone could start one called "why P2P should be banned" etc. But remember if theres no P2P we all will have to pay for our porno movies.P.S I was using Shareza on Dial-up and getting 50-20 kb/sec 8)
I wouldnt use kazaa if you are looking for high speed. Rather use bittorrent. emule is also very slow but for very different reasons. However, emule has all the rarest files. I find kazaa pretty useless nowadays due to all the users (americans?) taking their stuff out-of-share in fear of the RIAA.
Are emule ports and bittorrent ports shaped on ADSL? (I dont have ADSL)
Are emule ports and bittorrent ports shaped on ADSL? (I dont have ADSL)
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Podo,that was a well written post and agree with u 100%.
I have a few friends in the music industry and they battle to get studios to listen to their demos,as they have hundreds on their desks.
P2P is a brilliant way to get their music heard,it also beats them having to set up websites and the best thing is that they are skipping the studio with their ludicrous prices for studio time.
Once again Podo 100% correct.Ill have a beer with u anytime[]
I have a few friends in the music industry and they battle to get studios to listen to their demos,as they have hundreds on their desks.
P2P is a brilliant way to get their music heard,it also beats them having to set up websites and the best thing is that they are skipping the studio with their ludicrous prices for studio time.
Once again Podo 100% correct.Ill have a beer with u anytime[
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