Kevin Pietersen has quit as England's cricket captain

[Guest 20221009]

prick serves him right..talent is not a excuse for being a bastard!

 

[medicnick83]

prick serves him right..talent is not a excuse for being a bastard!

+1

 

[chiskop]

crazy decision if you ask me, there will be an outcry from their fans, he's a good player and he was starting to show signs of a good captain but alas, im just glad we have a sense of composure in our cricket side at the moment.

Starting to show signs of being a good captain? When?

For sure, he won a (dead) test and a one day series against a spent South Africa - then went on to lose:

• (by a very large margin) the Stanford T20 against a team made up of WI journeymen,
• 5-0 to India in the ODI series (including losing a warm up game by >100 runs)
• 1-0 to India in the two match Test series

You can say India are the better team, but 5-0 better? Were the Stanford team a better team? And the Mumbai Cricket Association XI?

Seems he does alright against his old nemesis, but struggles against anyone else.

 

[medicnick83]

I think he might've just put effort into the (vs) SA games because (they) didn't want to let him play and he went to England and then got a chance to play, so to him, it's like he gets to "smack" (us - SA) in the face by beating us.

Get what I'm saying?

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

he's not as "great" as you make him out to be, probably looks good because of the pathetic players in the english squad. apart from that one ashes test he hasn't done anything to impress me. the aussies regard him as just another player as we should.

 

[chiskop]

Get what I'm saying?

I think so.

You mean that we'll only see Pietersen the amazing captain in matches against SA. And Natal B.

 

[medicnick83]

... pretty much! hahahaha.

 

[Fuma]

He would have to wait 5 years before he could play for us anyway

By then he will have passed his sell by date.
I didn't know you could change to play another country. Does this also happen in Rugby? I know in Soccer, once you play for Country A in a recognized Fifa match (I think even your age contributes to that), you can't play for another country, ever.

 

[stefan9]

he's not as "great" as you make him out to be, probably looks good because of the pathetic players in the english squad. apart from that one ashes test he hasn't done anything to impress me. the aussies regard him as just another player as we should.

Averages over 50 with 15 hundreds and 11 50's with a strike rate of over 60 in test cricket. He is certainly one of the best players in world cricket at the moment.

He is also not the first guy to think his coach doesn't deserve his job. Shane Warne though and said the same thing about John Buchannan on a few occasions. Said the only reason the australia side was winning was because of him and not Buchannan.

 

[stefan9]

By then he will have passed his sell by date.
I didn't know you could change to play another country. Does this also happen in Rugby? I know in Soccer, once you play for Country A in a recognized Fifa match (I think even your age contributes to that), you can't play for another country, ever.

In rugby and cricket you can change country, in football you can't.

 

[BigAl-sa]

Just watched an interview on Sky (dstv still has some advantage) - it sounds as though the suits were going to fire Pietersen anyway. They did not like him criticising the coach in his newspaper column.

I thought it was only in SA that the suits ran the game...

 

[Sackboy]

fsck no! he can take his bitchy pommy accent and shove it up his A-S-S!!

andrew strauss on the other hand is welcome

What has accent got to do with it. He was given a bad time when he was just emerging as a great player and had to go overseas to get recognition, and I think there's a lot of sour grapes over it on the SA side because he is now in the opposite camp.

 

[chiskop]

By then he will have passed his sell by date.
I didn't know you could change to play another country. Does this also happen in Rugby? I know in Soccer, once you play for Country A in a recognized Fifa match (I think even your age contributes to that), you can't play for another country, ever.

Kepler Wessels played for Aus and us. Not sure what the rules are, but Imran Tahir, who's played international matches for Pakistan's youth teams, will soon be eligible to play for us.

South Africa's search for a quality spinner could end next year, when legspinner Imran Tahir, who was born in Lahore, qualifies to play for the country. Tahir, married to a South African woman, will be available to play for South Africa on April 1, 2009, and the bowler is eager to play at the "highest level".

"South Africa is now my country," Tahir said. "I'll be available for South Africa on April 1." That date will be exactly fours years since Tahir played for Pakistan A. If South Africa's selectors decide to pick Tahir, who plays for the Titans, he could be in line for his debut during the home ODI series against Australia, which starts on April 3.

(Of course, that all assumes we want Pietersen, we didn't the first time. )

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

What has accent got to do with it. He was given a bad time when he was just emerging as a great player and had to go overseas to get recognition, and I think there's a lot of sour grapes over it on the SA side because he is now in the opposite camp.

its his whole attitude to everything, he thinks he's greater than the cause. there are a lot of sportsmen/women who have gone overseas to get recognition for their sport who i admire. kp would never be there, nor would rathbone.

 

[Sackboy]

its his whole attitude to everything, he thinks he's greater than the cause. there are a lot of sportsmen/women who have gone overseas to get recognition for their sport who i admire. kp would never be there, nor would rathbone.

Sportsmen and their egos, yes, we all see that in a majority of them. The difference with KP is that he's a WINNER and that must hurt if you support SA.

 

[chiskop]

Sportsmen and their egos, yes, we all see that in a majority of them. The difference with KP is that he's a WINNER and that must hurt if you support SA.

I've posted KP's results as captain somewhere above, I don't agree that he is a "WINNER". If anyone's hurting, it's Pietersen seeing our results in the last twelve months.

Strauss is a former SA, so is NZ's Elliot and dozens of players from various associate nations - and yet I don't hate them.

It must be something personal with KP.

 

[Guest 20221009]

http://www.cricket365.com/story/0,18305,6656_4758888,00.html

Apparently the poms no longer have a coach either

 

[The_Pumpkin_King]

Sportsmen and their egos, yes, we all see that in a majority of them. The difference with KP is that he's a WINNER and that must hurt if you support SA.

i doubt the "winner" part.

 

[sand_man]

I don't think the issue is seeing KP in the SA team and as captain but we would be stupid not to consider him to play for SA in view of his record. In any event he cannot play for SA for 5 years so it's not going to happen, regardless. Personally I would kill to have him in my one day side but not necessarily as captain...

 

[OzzieCapie]

I don't think the issue is seeing KP in the SA team and as captain but we would be stupid not to consider him to play for SA in view of his record. In any event he cannot play for SA for 5 years so it's not going to happen, regardless. Personally I would kill to have him in my one day side but not necessarily as captain...

Don't get desparate...you have a winning team that gels and is only going to get better as kids are picking up bats (planks?) and playing in the street as we speak.

This is true to form for KP and one player doesn't make a team, as SA showed its about unity and no back stabbing. This guy, no doubt his talent, will be bad for any team or any business he works for.

A bit of history. His allies are Rice and Ford et al. Rice, who played 1st class cricket with no attention to unifying SA sport, thought it was his inalienable right to play for and captain SA on return...a return he put no effort into. He then took his bat and ball to Notts.
KP, when dropped by Natal (remember he was a tailender in a team with good spinners), instead of knuckling down like everyone else, used that as an excuse because Ricey had the Notts contract for him and his Mum had the passport...nothing to do with quotas, but his comments damaged relations irreparably....how did quotas stop Smith, Kallis, AB, Steyn etc etc... quotas don't stop the cream, and enhances the flavour and growth eg Prince, Amla, Ntini etc all top of the tree in their own right.

Then Notts get relegated and he spits the dummy again, captain throws his gear over balcony, but he is forced to honour contract.

England should have known this. Despite Moores being the one to pick him as captain, he stabs him in back when his own captaincy let him down. I think the agenda was to get his other old mentor, Ford, into the job.

KP's wiki page says "Discipline is good. It taught me that I didn't always have to have what I wanted; that what I needed was different from what I wanted."...and "If you do something- give 100%"...both good mottos.
On the latter you can't disagree, but the former is totally opposite to what he does and says.
Of his Notts split : "...I could have done so much better if the wicket had been good."
Of Smith : "an absolute muppet, childish and strange.... his behaviour leaves a lot to be desired".

Wonder who is the better captain and person now.

Leave him alone...he is poison.

When I was in matric we had an absolutely great principal. He expelled the two best girls in English, literature etc - depite being (because of?) ahead of the others in this- purely because they were a disruptive influence on the development of others. It did them and the rest of the class the world of good.

Sometimes (most times) no matter how talented or hard working, if someone at your company or team has an attitude that demotivates and disrupts others, you have to cut them off.

KP is one of those.