King Zwelithini: We will defend ourselves on land

Excalibur

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Going to a gun fight with a spear is nothing to be proud of.
You talk like they had guns at their disposal and chose spears, they were brave enough to fight for their cause with whatever they had. that's what you call warriors.
 

BBSA

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You talk like they had guns at their disposal and chose spears, they were brave enough to fight for their cause with whatever they had. that's what you call warriors.
I would rather call it stupid than brave.
 

rambo919

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One must remember though that some of them DID have firearms. Probably outdated but still. Gun smuggling was huge throughout africa.
 

Nicodeamus

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So freakin what! guns n cannons vs spears! The Zulu can be monumentally proud of themselves!
The battle of Rorke's drift was regarding by historians such as victor Davis Hanson as one of the best examples of what makes the western way of war unique.
He ranked it with other battles such as Salamis (480BC), Gaugamela (331BC), Cannae (216BC), Poitiers (732), Lepanto (1571), Midway (1942) and the Tet Offensive(1968).

It came down to how they define bravery. For the Zulus being braved came down to how many people you killed for the Western Armies it has to do with standing alone against all odds.

The British had no option but to make use of a firing squad. Had one troop cowered then the Zulus would have overwhelmed them. They showed remarkable courage and discipline.

I suggest that you read up a bit on warfare.
 

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For some reason I am thinking of this book because of our colourful friend. https://www.gutenberg.org/files/15106/15106-h/15106-h.htm anything to shift blame away from the British even if it's a hysterical conspiracy theory where the Brits were also victims.
Interesting
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Conspiracies only exist because people do not do the proper required research

It is a fact that the Hollanders manned nearly ALL of the government posts in the ZAR
You could look into the history of the NZASM (Nederlandsche Zuid-Afrikaansche Spoorwegmaatschappij)

DUTCH Footsteps ( NZASM )

NZASM: Nederlandsche Zuid-Afrikaansche Spoorweg-Maatschappij

In fact the Boers themselves came to dislike them.

One just needs to look at the ownership of the GOLD mines themselves -- WHO owned them all ?
Who was President Paul Kruger's great economic adviser ?

You still have not answered the question about how one acquired or proved citizenship n the ZAR ?
 

ForceFate

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One must remember though that some of them DID have firearms. Probably outdated but still. Gun smuggling was huge throughout africa.
It was guns looted from prior skirmishes, but largely without ammo. Also, the guns were mostly not maintained.
 

MidnightWizard

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That 'stupidity' triumphed at Isandlwana.
Rather a break-down in British Military protocol -- and standard Field Service Regulations

Colenso calls Chelmsford's neglecting to follow his own
"Regulations for Field Forces in South Africa",
which required that a defensible camp be established at every halt, fatal.


Battle of Isandlwana

So much written -- see if you can find an actual copy of those -- "Regulations for Field Forces in South Africa"
 

ForceFate

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Rather a break-down in British Military protocol -- and standard Field Service Regulations

Colenso calls Chelmsford's neglecting to follow his own
"Regulations for Field Forces in South Africa",
which required that a defensible camp be established at every halt, fatal.


Battle of Isandlwana

So much written -- see if you can find an actual copy of those -- "Regulations for Field Forces in South Africa"
Give credit where it's due.
 

The_Librarian

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I'm one for Zulu secession, just as long as my taxes don't have to fund their state in any way.
If they actually go ahead and do it, then the taxes not going to their state will be repurposed for more grants. Or oinkage.
 

rambo919

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Interesting
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Conspiracies only exist because people do not do the proper required research

It is a fact that the Hollanders manned nearly ALL of the government posts in the ZAR
You could look into the history of the NZASM (Nederlandsche Zuid-Afrikaansche Spoorwegmaatschappij)

DUTCH Footsteps ( NZASM )

NZASM: Nederlandsche Zuid-Afrikaansche Spoorweg-Maatschappij

In fact the Boers themselves came to dislike them.

One just needs to look at the ownership of the GOLD mines themselves -- WHO owned them all ?
Who was President Paul Kruger's great economic adviser ?

You still have not answered the question about how one acquired or proved citizenship n the ZAR ?
TBH I find your level of genius problematic to respond to.... ur similarly as all over the place at once as our resident womans crusader only with bedazzling formatting instead of text walls.
 
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