Kulula and BA’s Boeing 737 Max 8 planes – “We remain vigilant”

The_Librarian

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Comair's Max is parked at Denal side. They have hanger space there as they bought Star Air Cargo.
How long before some beancounter get itchy because of
- space in use but not utilized fully
- overheads on paying for said space
- overheads on aircraft storage (security etc)
- aircraft sitting idle and not earning its keep
 

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The 16 most outrageous things Boeing employees said in shocking internal emails - Business Insider US

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- Messages show Boeing employees' frustration with higher-ups, company culture, and consistent failures on Boeing's 737 Max programme.

- Frequent programme missteps seemed to weigh heavily on overworked employees, according to the emails.

- Some employees appeared to take pride in deliberately misleading customers and regulators regarding additional training.

- The messages suggest the Boeing 777X program has some of the same issues.
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Beyond pilot trash talk, 737 MAX documents reveal how intensely Boeing focused on cost - The Seattle Times

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The damaging internal documents related to the 737 MAX jet that Boeing released Thursday are full of late-night trash talk between two company pilots who mocked federal regulators, airline officials, suppliers and their own colleagues as idiots, clowns or monkeys.

While some of the more memorable quotes may be dismissed as bravado — nothing more than hard-charging guys who “blew off steam” after work, as the lawyer for the lead pilot put it — other, more sober internal emails reveal the pressures the pilots were under from the MAX program leadership.

They suggest a troubling Boeing culture that prioritized costs over safety.

All the messages from the leaders of the MAX program “are about meeting schedule, not delivering quality,” one employee laments in a 2018 email.

Boeing has disowned the language in the communications and offered an abject public apology.

On Friday, interim CEO Greg Smith sent an internal email to employees declaring that the messages “do not reflect who we are as a company or the culture we’ve created.”

The evidence in the documents, however, points beyond a couple of rogue employees to serious problems with how the MAX was developed and certified.
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This quote out of the above article says it all for me

“I fear that skill is not very intuitive any more with younger pilots and those who have become too reliant on automation,” a colleague responded.
 

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This quote out of the above article says it all for me
Surely these are industry trends which market leaders like Boeing and Airbus would have noted / identified and tried to work with airlines to mitigate?
 

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The grounding of the MAX (effectively the entire 737 production) has led to Boeing's worst year for aircraft deliveries, and net negative new future orders. Link may be paywalled:
 

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The grounding of the MAX (effectively the entire 737 production) has led to Boeing's worst year for aircraft deliveries, and net negative new future orders. Link may be paywalled:
^^^ This ... plus the negative knock-on for Boeing suppliers & US economy :-

The grounding of Max has had a wider impact on US economy. Boeing is the US’s largest export manufacturer and some 8,000 companies supply the company with parts.

Last week Spirit AeroSystems, Boeing’s largest supplier, announced it was laying off 20% of its staff as a result of the grounding. The move will affect 2,800 workers at Spirit’s facility in Wichita, Kansas, and the company has warned that there may be more layoffs to come.

Spirit supplies the fuselage, thrust reversers, engine pylons and wing components for the Max and the sales account for half of its revenues.

article : https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/14/boeing-reports-lowest-order-numbers-30-years-737-max-catastrophes
 

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Boeing Called Indonesian Pilots 'Idiots' For Wanting More Training On The 737 Max Prior To Crash - Jalopnik

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Boeing had been touting the 737 MAX as an aircraft that would require minimal to no new training for pilots, which would save airlines a lot of money. This was a major selling point of the new plane.

Boeing provided the Federal Aviation Administration with over 100 pages of internal documentation relating to the 737 MAX situation, and a number of those documents show that Boeing employees were not supportive of airline requests for more training for the aircraft.

Documents were released to the media with redactions, but Bloomberg was able to get unredacted documents from the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and those documents called out Lion Air by name.

Bloomberg’s article today included quotes from internal emails from Boeing employees discussing the requests for more training on the 737 MAX’s new systems, and, um, they don’t really come off terribly well for Boeing.
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I'm sure Boeing have lost more money through this saga than they would have if they invested in proper system redundancy (3 vs 2 probes), proper training for pilots and proper communication with the FAA and airlines.

This case should be studied for years to come on what happens when cost is the driver for (not) doing something right
 

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I'm sure Boeing have lost more money through this saga than they would have if they invested in proper system redundancy (3 vs 2 probes), proper training for pilots and proper communication with the FAA and airlines.

This case should be studied for years to come on what happens when accountants/bean counters are allowed to run a company
FTFY
 
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