KZN family in fight to reclaim expropriated land

[ToxicBunny]

With all due respect but that doesn't prove anything.

How does it not?

 

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How does it not?

I don't trust a word that comes out of the mouth of anyone in government. I don't trust them to be truthful. I don't trust them to know anything. I don't trust them to say or do anything correctly.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

I don't trust a word that comes out of the mouth of anyone in government. I don't trust them to be truthful. I don't trust them to know anything. I don't trust them to say or do anything correctly.

Will this be the same excuse when the Constitution is changed and government starts expropriating without compensation? The people are lying because "we" do not believe a word that comes from government?

 

[daveza]

Only one way to be sure they are telling the truth , present documents.
If all they have is memories and no paperwork then they are in the wrong.

Documents - all those wanting their land back, what documents do they have ?

 

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Will this be the same excuse when the Constitution is changed and government starts expropriating without compensation? The people are lying because "we" do not believe a word that comes from government?

Sometimes people say things that really make me wonder if they represent a whole new level of regressive mutation.

 

[airborne]

Expropriation by Municipalities/government for road building and other infrastructure has been around forever. It typically involved compensation, not always at a price land owners agreed with but the real problem here is it appears these people have been squatting for many decades and were to lazy to formalise the arrangement by making some kind of claim to get the title deeds. So when the Municipality needed this land for roads its was a no brainer, no incumbent so no consultation needed, let's build.

Granted someone cocked it up because the fact that there were people currently residing on the property would have been self evident, and I'm assuming an eviction order would legally be needed to remove the squatters?

 

[Fulcrum29]

Documents - all those wanting their land back, what documents do they have ?

In modern times you have to keep an eye out for upright coke cans, a pile of rocks, etc. outside of your house because you may be living in someone’s else’s property and that they may come along soon to expropriate their belongings. Nowadays, without compensation, they, like the KwaDukuza Municipality, may just come around and expropriate it.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Expropriation by Municipalities/government for road building and other infrastructure has been around forever. It typically involved compensation, not always at a price land owners agreed with but the real problem here is it appears these people have been squatting for many decades and were to lazy to formalise the arrangement by making some kind of claim to get the title deeds. So when the Municipality needed this land for roads its was a no brainer, no incumbent so no consultation needed, let's build.

Granted someone cocked it up because the fact that there were people currently residing on the property would have been self evident, and I'm assuming an eviction order would legally be needed to remove the squatters?

What if they were never issued with a title deed, this being KZN after all...

What if they were never issued with a title deed, this being KZN…

There are two telling things of this story,

1)

Nirmala Devi Maharaj, 73, of Umhlali, inherited the land from her late mother, Jagataran Devi, who died 40 years ago.

and 2)

“I was told they could not find our lot number on the map. However, I was able to identify our land as there is a river just below the property.”

He then realised the lot number had changed. However, the family was not told about this.

If they had a lot number or ERF number to be precise, then they had a document of some sort.

This does, however, sounds more like emotional reporting than fact-finding.

 

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Expropriation by Municipalities/government for road building and other infrastructure has been around forever. It typically involved compensation, not always at a price land owners agreed with but the real problem here is it appears these people have been squatting for many decades and were to lazy to formalise the arrangement by making some kind of claim to get the title deeds. So when the Municipality needed this land for roads its was a no brainer, no incumbent so no consultation needed, let's build.

Granted someone cocked it up because the fact that there were people currently residing on the property would have been self evident, and I'm assuming an eviction order would legally be needed to remove the squatters?

now see this I believe is what has happened, and the reporter has latched on to 'expropriation' and either for headlines or through sheer bloody incompetence has confused it with EWC. (I'm inclined to believe the latter given the lack of any evidence of actual investigative reporting in the article)

 

[Fulcrum29]

now see this I believe is what has happened, and the reporter has latched on to 'expropriation' and either for headlines or through sheer bloody incompetence has confused it with EWC. (I'm inclined to believe the latter given the lack of any evidence of actual investigative reporting in the article)

Don't shoot the messenger.

However, the KwaDukuza Municipality media liaison officer, Sipho Mkhize, said: “The property is registered under the KwaDukuza Municipality. We can prove that the expropriation was done rightfully.”

Not to mention this from last year,

ANC eyeing 31 KZN properties for expropriation, claims AfriForum

There are 31 KwaZulu-Natal properties, including farms, on a list of 190 earmarked for expropriation without compensation, according to AfriForum.

www.news24.com

ANC eyeing 31 KZN properties for expropriation, claims AfriForum

There are 31 KwaZulu-Natal properties, including farms, on a list of 190 earmarked for expropriation without compensation, according to AfriForum.

The civil rights organisation on Sunday published a list of 190 properties, which is more than the 139 that the ANC announced to have been targeted.

According to the list, the most farms have been targeted in North West (with 32 properties), followed by KZN (31).

Afriforum said in a statement that although the list is confidential, it had obtained a document being circulated in the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform as a list of farms that will serve as “test cases”. It does not contain the details of the 139 farms, but of 190 “properties”.

this may very well be one of those 'test' cases.

 

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now see this I believe is what has happened, and the reporter has latched on to 'expropriation' and either for headlines or through sheer bloody incompetence has confused it with EWC. (I'm inclined to believe the latter given the lack of any evidence of actual investigative reporting in the article)

HTF is it any different. Somebody lost their property!

You probably don't own any property but I sure as hell hope the gov comes and takes yours the day you own property.

 

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HTF is it any different. Somebody lost their property!

You probably don't own any property but I sure as hell hope the gov comes and takes yours the day you own property.

If they didn't own it, then no they didn't lose it. Astonishingly this is actually an important point.

And expropriation for government projects has always been a thing. Every government in the world has provisions for this. My grandfather had to give up his farm in the Transkei because of this law. However, people are compensated in some way for the loss. Not always equitably but there is some sort of exchange or payment for the property. EWC seeks to give the government the right to totally ignore all property rights and just take whatever they like without justification.

Expropriation does not invalidate or weaken property rights, EWC does.

 

[Jabulani22]

Documents - all those wanting their land back, what documents do they have ?

Probably none since the local people and the tribes which migrated from the north had no systems of writing .
Still does not excuse these folk , if they dont have papers they are squatters.

 

[Jabulani22]

In modern times you have to keep an eye out for upright coke cans, a pile of rocks, etc. outside of your house because you may be living in someone’s else’s property and that they may come along soon to expropriate their belongings. Nowadays, without compensation, they, like the KwaDukuza Municipality, may just come around and expropriate it.

If this is proof of ownership then the world has clearly gone mad .
This is proof of camping or maybe just common graffiti.

 

[TysonRoux]

Documents - all those wanting their land back, what documents do they have ?

I sure hope that the Khoisan are getting their documentation ready.

 

[TysonRoux]

CR buying votes.

Sure shaped the Zimbobweans identity.

Khoisan and going to get a whole load of "identity".

Land must be returned to our people as it really shapes our identity - Ramaphosa

The return of land to black people is crucial in restoring the identity of South Africans.

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