KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

DA-LION-619

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You seem to be conflating fear with fact.

You put your live at risk but just responding to a crime report, or by pulling a vehicle over (for a traffic violation maybe?) as shown in post just before yours. You seem to conflate fear with being at risk. When last did you go post haste to a possible crime scene?

Criminals don't yell "get down on the ground"*, they yell "give us your wallet/phone/whatever"

*unless a bank robbery, according to the movies.
Life is isn’t like Die Hard.
In our own context I don’t see cops have any fear when pulling over someone, as illogical it might be to jump into the middle of the road the idea that someone might keep continue driving normally doesn’t happen.

When it did happen, that women didn’t get shot even though she put someone’s life in actual risk.

They had no information to go on except that 911 call which hasn’t been released. If she said he had a weapon, then it gives a better idea of the situation they went into.
 

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Life is isn’t like Die Hard.
In our own context I don’t see cops have any fear when pulling over someone, as illogical it might be to jump into the middle of the road the idea that someone might keep continue driving normally doesn’t happen.

When it did happen, that women didn’t get shot even though she put someone’s life in actual risk.

They had no information to go on except that 911 call which hasn’t been released. If she said he had a weapon, then it gives a better idea of the situation they went into.

You still seem to conflate fear with risk, watch this:

Tough though for a police officer to ever know who they are meeting during any incident:


The officer didn't have fear (hand not even on gun), yet her life was at risk.
 

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I don't agree. They arrived on the scene and the woman immediately yelled at them where he was. Legally speaking they have to identify themselves, then find out what's going on.

They didn't speak with him, they just immediately treated him as hostile, based on the woman's shaky yelling. Yes, he then ran at them which justified being tasered at the very least...but then there were 3+ of them. Had they been properly positioned and ready before moving in they would have been able to subdue him without anyone dying, which is what policing is all about.

As soon as they arrive on any scene they have protocol that needs to be followed, instead of going at it half-assed.
Protocol and training explained by a former Honolulu police officer and his views on the Myeni case:

 

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Protocol and training explained by a former Honolulu police officer and his views on the Myeni case:


1 hour 29 mins!? Can you please give a synopsis...

Edit: First 10 mins:
Woman reports man in home. Calls 911. Police assume it's a burglary. Policy is to draw weapons. Situation escalates....
Rest of video:
Rambling justification...
 
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1 hour 29 mins!? Can you please give a synopsis...
Didn't make it through the full 90 mins myself but briefly..based on a burglary call trained procedure is to have your weapon drawn as burglary is listed as a violent crime and it was a burglary call.

He claims nearest officer could not act yet as the suspect had not been identified on his arrival. The officer who draws his weapon does so as the woman positively identifies Myeni as the suspect and the officer orders him to get on the ground.

He claims visibility not as poor as video and it was definitely known by Myeni that they were police as the nearest officer is so close to him, is in a full dress uniform, fully marked vehicle and radio. Also obviously decent lighting as the woman successfully identifies and points to Myeni from the porch.

Then he said something like every officer knows a firearm is always involved. Meaning the officer brings a firearm. As required by callout category weapon is drawn but he cannot shoot identified suspect for running towards him. Has to holster firearm while Myeni runs towards him. Claims that he likely never had time to successfully holster so would have been defending against Myeni with only one hand.

Claims not particularly easy for officers to fight an athlete of his size due to amount of equipment carried by officers hampering their agility against more athletic attackers.
 

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Criminals don't yell "get down on the ground"*, they yell "give us your wallet/phone/whatever"

*unless a bank robbery, according to the movies.
They do if they're after something specific and want to be in and out as quickly as possible. Examples are store robberies where they order everyone to lie face down.
 

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The Myeni's are mad.

Lindsay Myeni:

Listen City of Honolulu,
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this isn’t going away. The entire world is looking at you from London to Cape Town. We will not stop until we get all of the body cam footage, the Ring cam footage from the house he was at, every angle, every word that was spoken.
South Africa will not let this go. You killed their Prince.
May you never assume another black man is a criminal and murder him on the way home again.
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I will have your back forever Mnguni.
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I’m proud of every bit of the man you are. I will take your body back as soon as I can and we can mourn with the family.
I’ll see you in heaven beb.

Her brother also weighed in:

I can’t believe I’m writing this. My brother was murdered. Lindani Myeni was shot four times by Police Officers after defending himself from the blind aggression and fear created by a racist system. Now my sister has to raise her children alone.

My nephew and niece need to grow up without a father. The people responsible need to be held accountable.
It was a misunderstanding - my South African brother-in-law was calmly speaking to the first officer - as he’s done in every confrontation. Likely explaining that he walked into the wrong house and meant no harm. Meanwhile a terrified man with unchecked power snuck up behind him, gun drawn, blinded him with a flashlight and shouted for him to get on the ground.

But he knew better. He grew up in a township in SA. He wouldn’t submit to some unidentified man wielding a flashlight. It was fight or flight and Lindani doesn’t run. He pleaded “why” and fought for his life when it was clear they intended violence. Their aggression and fear led to his death. All because he was black and they were scared.
And this abhorrent system will now do everything it can to smear Lindani. Try to justify his extrajudicial slaughter. We demand #justiceforlindanimyeni. Release the unedited bodycam footage. End the systemic racism, end qualified immunity - murderers must be accountable for their actions regardless of the uniform they wear. I know my brothers and sisters in the military were and America is not a war zone.

We will fight them in court just as hard as Lindani fought for his right to be treated like a human being. Please share Lindani’s story and join us in this fight. We can’t let this system take another father... husband... human. #blacklivesmatter

If you can find it in your heart to help out - we are bringing Lindani back home to South Africa. I wish I had a chance to experience it with him.

They both support the Go Fund Me to take his body back. Seeing that this was an argue point earlier in the thread.

It is a sad situation.
 

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All's good, nothing to see here folks.

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The US police must be extremely well trained because I do not ever recall seeing a single story about a bad or unjustified shooting of a white suspect which is the demographic that they most often shoot to death.
 

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I have to ask. For those who are Zulu here, culturally or otherwise, is it normal to randomly walk into other peoples homes?
 

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The US police must be extremely well trained because I do not ever recall seeing a single story about a bad or unjustified shooting of a white suspect which is the demographic that they most often shoot to death.
 

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He must have watched other videos or he is blinded...

Do remember, these people are emotional. We still don't have the actual merits.

What needs to be established is why Myeni was in and at that home, only then you can establish circumstance. As I brought up, that isn't an ordinary residence. Too many people are currently rushing to conclusions.
 

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The US police must be extremely well trained because I do not ever recall seeing a single story about a bad or unjustified shooting of a white suspect which is the demographic that they most often shoot to death.

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You still seem to conflate fear with risk, watch this:



The officer didn't have fear (hand not even on gun), yet her life was at risk.
Risk is inherently part of the job.
In some part everyone’s life is at risk of something but when it’s part of your job, you also have the training and equipment.

As a cop, her life is always at risk but she didn’t put her life at risk by pulling over that van. Her approach is a lot more logical especially by herself, compared to those 3 cops.
 
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