KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

Hemi300c

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Awaiting the actual story and facts before I comment.
At the moment it's very one sided.
 

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There are some key puzzles to this story.

The full account of the people's house he entered. Sounds like after he spoke to them he went outside and waited in his car (for the cops?).

Was he aggressive?
Why did he remove his shoes when he entered the house?
How did he act after they asked him to leave?
What did he tell them?
Was he under the influence?
Did he threatened their life's?
Who phoned the cops?
Seeing that he lived down the street, did anyone nearby recognise him?

And then of course the bodycams. Why did he keep on fighting after he was shot the first time?
Why did they shoot him to kill him after the first shot?
Was he so strong that after being tased, shot and handled by 3 cops he was still in a position to kill them?
Did he go for their guns?
Was he scared?
What did they say to him when he was waiting at his car?
Did they find anything in his car?
If he wasn't under the influence, why did he fight as if his live depended on it?

The autopsy. What was in his system? Does it match the story told by the Home owners and the account of the police?

Any other witnesses? Maybe cameras in the house?

 
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So many different versions
- The wife says it was a cultural misunderstanding as he took of his shoes before he entered the house to try resolve a dispute with neighbours and that in SA at any time you can visit your neighbours unannounced even in the evening.
- Then you have a story that the people whose house he entered didn't know him so called the cops as he was suspicious.
- The cops who claimed he started hitting them
- His SA rugby team mates and coaches who say he is harmless and would never attack the cops
 

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The people whose house he entered.

You got 3 injured cops, one in hospital. Bodycam footage gonna be interesting.
He was a big and strong oke. I just wonder what makes a man keep on fighting after being tased and shot.
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So many different versions
- The wife says it was a cultural misunderstanding as he took of his shoes before he entered the house to try resolve a dispute with neighbours and that in SA at any time you can visit your neighbours unannounced even in the evening.
- Then you have a story that the people whose house he entered didn't know him so called the cops as he was suspicious.
- The cops who claimed he started hitting them
- His SA rugby team mates and coaches who say he is harmless and would never attack the cops
That's the media. Things are very blurry and everyone have their spin on a story. Those who knew him can add to his character.. Hopefully the key things become consistent and hard evidence like footage or recorded calls will help.
 

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EFF: " sensless killing of Richards Bay's Esikhaleni resident"

Media report: Lindani had moved to the island just over a year ago

Not only do the EFF jump immediately to "senseless killing" but don't know what "resident" is.
 

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Why did they shoot him to kill him after the first shot?
Only in the movies to people go flying backwards after being shot. Being shot doesn't automatically incapacitate you. In quick reaction situations you are aiming at centre mass. Unless you sever the spinal column, the body can keep going. Until there is sufficient blood loss, the body can continue functioning fully.

Sounds like it was a very violent encounter, in which case one or more officers would have used their firearms. No one uses their firearms to wound someone, another movie myth. When you get to the situation of firing a firearm you are in the situation to kill the person. The caveat is where a firearm is used with less than lethal projectiles, i.e. shotgun with bean bags.
 

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so police arrived on the scene because of a report of burglary

upon arrival they see the guy sitting in his car?

makes sense
 

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EFF: " sensless killing of Richards Bay's Esikhaleni resident"

Media report: Lindani had moved to the island just over a year ago

Not only do the EFF jump immediately to "senseless killing" but don't know what "resident" is.
They just want their piece of the pie to further their agenda.
 

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Only in the movies to people go flying backwards after being shot. Being shot doesn't automatically incapacitate you. In quick reaction situations you are aiming at centre mass. Unless you sever the spinal column, the body can keep going. Until there is sufficient blood loss, the body can continue functioning fully.

Sounds like it was a very violent encounter, in which case one or more officers would have used their firearms. No one uses their firearms to wound someone, another movie myth. When you get to the situation of firing a firearm you are in the situation to kill the person. The caveat is where a firearm is used with less than lethal projectiles, i.e. shotgun with bean bags.
It's makes sense. He must have put up quite a fight to deserve that. Wonder what triggered it or just completely pissed.
 
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I look forward to the bodycam footage.

I am hoping for the body cam to be released.

Sounds like the body cam won't be released any time soon.

Awaiting the actual story and facts before I comment.
At the moment it's very one sided.
Came out swinging!
Widow immediately making it a racial.
 
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Came out swinging!
Widow immediately making it a racial.
Is not allowing a black man to assault a police officer now considered racist?

Here’s how Nagata described the sequence of events that led up to the shooting:

“The suspect initially looks at the second officer and then turns and attacks the first officer.”

“At that time, the third officer issues Taser warnings and deploys his Taser. It was ineffective and the suspect begins assaulting the third officer.”

“The suspect again charges toward the first officer who fires a single shot at the suspect.”

“The suspect tackles the first officer and punches him several times in the face and head, causing him to briefly lose consciousness.”

“The second officer then fires three rounds at the suspect.”
 
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