KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[wbot]

Yes, so at that point the shooting is justified. What you are failing to understand is that the cops shouldn't have ever let it get that far.

Heck I've seen videos of cops going up against machete wielding crazies, and still not fire a single shot and no injuries on either side.

What do you mean cops shouldn't have let it get that far?

He attacked them the moment they arrived. Watch the vid. The owner of the house is terrified. She gets even more terrified when he gets out of his car and starts charging at officers. That's when the tasing starts. What should they have done differently other than shoot him first instead of tasing?

 

[krycor]

I'm no trained professional but I could guess not having your gun drawn is a good start when you've seen the suspect has no weapons and you have superior numbers
My guess is most US cops have so little close combat training that they truly do think it's shoot first or you'll die.

What I was thinking. They too quick to go for the gun as the great equalizer.. my wife says police in US look like they are scared hence the escalations.

Whether this is due to prevalence of guns in population or just bad training is questionable. Keep in mind just earlier this week video came out where they, Chicago Pd, shot a 13yr old for suspicion of having a weapon after he was standing hands up unarmed.

 

[krycor]

What do you mean cops shouldn't have let it get that far?

He attacked them the moment they arrived. Watch the vid. The owner of the house is terrified. She gets even more terrified when he gets out of his car and starts charging at officers. That's when the tasing starts. What should they have done differently other than shoot him first instead of tasing?

You know what would happen if that happen here? We’d call the police untrained and demand the ministers head.

 

[newklear]

I'm no trained professional but I could guess not having your gun drawn is a good start when you've seen the suspect has no weapons and you have superior numbers
My guess is most US cops have so little close combat training that they truly do think it's shoot first or you'll die.

There was a reported robbery. Lindani Myeni did not comply with the officers orders, this can be classed as resisting arrest. That is pretty much standard under US common law for a police officer to draw their weapons.

We have now seen the footage and it is clear that Lindani Myeni was in the wrong.

Lindani Myeni was standing there with no shoes on, did seem strange. Wonder what his mental state was like at the time ?

 

[rvZA]

I just need one thing confirmed... when police ordered him to get down, is it true that he did not comply, and instead attacked the police officer? If so, armed or not, his death was justified. Any other circumstances are irrelevant. People are getting and spreading this false sense of security that they can do what they want to police officers.

 

[wbot]

What I was thinking. They too quick to go for the gun as the great equalizer.. .

Really? They tased him several times before whipping out their guns.

I don't understand today's logic tbh. When has it become ok for criminals to attack police and for people to not expect them to get shot as a result?

You know what would happen if that happen here? We’d call the police untrained and demand the ministers head.

No. Every time our police kill criminals we say good job. It's when they stand and watch or run away when we call them useless

 

[Archer]

What do you mean cops shouldn't have let it get that far?

He attacked them the moment they arrived. Watch the vid. The owner of the house is terrified. She gets even more terrified when he gets out of his car and starts charging at officers. That's when the tasing starts. What should they have done differently other than shoot him first instead of tasing?

Let's complete the picture - he attacked after one of the unidentified cops pointed a gun at him. You can see there is someone acting quite casual next to Myeni just before the attack, I'm assuming that's one of the other cops on the scene (since there is no mention of other suspects). So what one could conclude is that up until the gun was drawn everything was fine

 

[B-1]

WoW some folks... This whole thing happened in around a minute according to a witness. The house owner is frantic and the perp is clearly behaving insane. Now you want the cops to give the guy a hug first and ask if everything is OK.

 

[Archer]

I just need one thing confirmed... when police ordered him to get down, is it true that he did not comply, and instead attacked the police officer? If so, armed or not, his death was justified. Any other circumstances are irrelevant. People are getting and spreading this false sense of security that they can do what they want to police officers.

So when randoms approach you in the darkness of night and shout at you to get down you comply? Interesting
Police approached the house with no sirens or lights, and the officer who's body cam we see did not identify himself.

 

[rvZA]

So when randoms approach you in the darkness of night and shout at you to get down you comply? Interesting
Police approached the house with no sirens or lights, and the officer who's body cam we see did not identify himself.

Not an excuse.

 

[wbot]

So when randoms approach you in the darkness of night and shout at you to get down you comply? Interesting
Police approached the house with no sirens or lights, and the officer who's body cam we see did not identify himself.

Come on, who did he think it was?

 

[skimread]

Lindani Myeni was standing there with no shoes on, did seem strange. Wonder what his mental state was like at the time ?

A successful Zulu guy, an isolated place like Hawaii. Probably geographically the furthest city from South Africa. Did he have a job there? Do they have social isolation rules? Did he fit in or have friends there? I think he might have reached a point where his mental state was shot. Maybe he had alcohol too.
His wife had to take care of 2 kids and have a real estate job so wouldn't have much time for him. If he didn't have coping skills, he easily could have lost it.

 

[w1z4rd]

You just have to watch this. https://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-suing-city-san-jose-police-force-hotel/story?id=72396118

To realize cops in the USA are out of control.

And if thats what they are doing in front of cameras.... what are they doing when the camera is not rolling?

 

[skimread]

So when randoms approach you in the darkness of night and shout at you to get down you comply? Interesting
Police approached the house with no sirens or lights, and the officer who's body cam we see did not identify himself.

They were wearing police uniforms and in police cars. Also, when haven't seen the video of the first police officer who approached him.

If 3 people attack me with tazers I run. I don't attack all 3.

 

[Archer]

They were wearing police uniforms and in police cars. Also, when haven't seen the video of the first police officer who approached him.

If 3 people attack me with tazers I run. I don't attack all 3.

They were wearing black uniforms in the blackness of night while pointing a flashlight at him and we expect Myeni should have been able to identify them as cops? I don't think that's a great argument

Personally I would probably also have run, but we all have different fight or flight instincts and as an ex rugby player I imagine the fight response is stronger with him.

 

[wbot]

You just have to watch this. https://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-suing-city-san-jose-police-force-hotel/story?id=72396118

To realize cops in the USA are out of control.

And if thats what they are doing in front of cameras.... what are they doing when the camera is not rolling?

Were the cops out of control in this case or was it the Zulu prince?

 

[Ninja]

GoFundme to bring back his body

Help Lindani get Home, organized by Seabelo Silitshena

We are sad to announce the passing of our friend and brother, Lindani Myeni. He was a gentl… Seabelo Silitshena needs your support for Help Lindani get Home

www.gofundme.com

who gets the money when the wife says no?

 

[w1z4rd]

Were the cops out of control in this case or was it the Zulu prince?

Before I answer that, did you watch the video? (so you have an idea of what I am talking about)

 

[wbot]

Did you watch the video?

Yes did you? The Zulu prince went crazy and attacked cops (sending at least one to hospital) on a stranger's property. The police did their job. Who's out of control here?

 

[Archer]

WoW some folks... This whole thing happened in around a minute according to a witness. The house owner is frantic and the perp is clearly behaving insane. Now you want the cops to give the guy a hug first and ask if everything is OK.

"Home owner"

Multiple neighbors told HNN there are new people frequently staying at the home where the shooting happened

I don't think anyone is advocating hugs. But you could easily have two cops covering the situation and one cop initiating some kind of conversation from a safe distance