# KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

#### Gatecrasher

##### Executive Member
In fact, here is a non-racist fact....

More white people die at the hands of police in the US:

If he was white, he would have, statistically, stood a bigger chance to die.

Unfortunately, the black man died because he tried to kill the police officers.
Take 2020: 457 White, 241 Black.
Whites in US 76.3%, Blacks in US 13.4%

457/.763 = 599 (if everyone is US was white) VS
241/.134 = 1798 (if everyone is US was black)

Chance of dying at hands of police is 1798/599 = 3x greater if you are black than if you are white.

#### Mephisto_Helix

##### Resident Postwhore
Maybe that 13% shouldn't commit so much more crime then eh

#### DA-LION-619

##### Honorary Master
Maybe that 13% shouldn't commit so much more crime then eh
Oh you’re baiting, continue

#### Sollie

##### Honorary Master
Maybe that 13% shouldn't commit so much more crime then eh
You say?

##### Senior Member
Those lists of arrests are a topic of some discussion. Some say that the arrests themselves are a straightforward indication that the crimes were indeed [most likely] perpetrated. Others say that there's a racial/gender/local/foreign or class/money skew to the likelihood of being arrested, at all, (whether or not the crime had been committed by that person), and then again that there may be a similar skew to the chances of being granted bail, or of a matter actually reaching court, and again of being sentenced, and then the degree of the sentence, and later of appeal and parole.

#### rietrot

##### Honorary Master
Take 2020: 457 White, 241 Black.
Whites in US 76.3%, Blacks in US 13.4%

457/.763 = 599 (if everyone is US was white) VS
241/.134 = 1798 (if everyone is US was black)

Chance of dying at hands of police is 1798/599 = 3x greater if you are black than if you are white.
Typical commie. Everything needs to match the demographics.

241/1021x100=24.6%
Well look at that 26% of the crime committed by black people. I would say the only reasonable conclusion is the systematically racist system is to blame for black people not being shot by police enough. Or maybe it's just me comparing two different years.

#### Sollie

##### Honorary Master
Typical commie. Everything needs to match the demographics.

241/1021x100=24.6%Well look at that 26% of the crime committed by black people. I would say the only reasonable conclusion is the systematically racist system is to blame for black people not being shot by police enough. Or maybe it's just me comparing two different years.
I'm glad you didn't see the juvenile button.

#### DA-LION-619

##### Honorary Master
I'm glad you didn't see the juvenile button.
You gotta fairly distribute school shootings also
/s

#### Mila

##### Honorary Master
This is going to get interesting.
There is a lot of things not being told.
Starting with what he was doing at that house.

l’ll play.
He went for a quicky at his lovers house to only find out her husband was there.
He was very angry because she kept on denying knowing him.
She was hysterical because she is being caught out.
To play the game she had to phone 911 to make her seem all innocent.
And then all went pear shaped.
He attacks the cops and gets shot.

#### Vrotappel

##### Bulls fan
Take 2020: 457 White, 241 Black.
Whites in US 76.3%, Blacks in US 13.4%

457/.763 = 599 (if everyone is US was white) VS
241/.134 = 1798 (if everyone is US was black)

Chance of dying at hands of police is 1798/599 = 3x greater if you are black than if you are white.
Now correlate that with the crime per race demographics. A new world will open for you.

#### Cray

##### Honorary Master
You stated:

Are you planning to support this claim, or are you going to back pedal?
I miss-spoke, meant to say that a felony burglary in progress is considered a violent crime and as such police where required to have their weapons drawn.

From 3 minutes 10 in the video.

Not sure of his background but he seems to know what he is talking about, you are welcome to offer an alternative source to gainsay this.

#### Cray

##### Honorary Master
Did some further research on this, even though burglary is considered a violent crime due to the federal Armed Career Criminal Act (ACCA).

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10...ce of actual,involved actual acts of violence.

Results showed that burglary is overwhelmingly a non-violent offense.

The national incidence of actual violence or threats of violence during a burglary was 7.9%. At most, 2.7% of burglaries involved actual acts of violence. Legislative reform of the ACCA classification to match the empirical description of burglary is discussed.

So yeah, the law says one thing but reality is very different

#### scudsucker

##### Executive Member
I miss-spoke, meant to say that a felony burglary in progress is considered a violent crime
So just a pack-pedal then. Ok.

#### scudsucker

##### Executive Member
Well done.
If you choose to make specific claims, you should be able to support those claims with evidence. If you do not, you are no better than the fact-free right wing here, who love to make bold claims with no backup.

#### MightyQuin

##### Honorary Master
If you choose to make specific claims, you should be able to support those claims with evidence. If you do not, you are no better than the fact-free right wing here, who love to make bold claims with no backup.
Still thinks "right-wing" is an insult......

Ag shem.

#### scudsucker

##### Executive Member
Still thinks "right-wing" is an insult......
No, it is a description, not an insult.

Interesting reaction there, though, @MightyQuin. You seem very defensive, I wonder why that is?

#### MightyQuin

##### Honorary Master
No, it is a description, not an insult.

Interesting reaction there, though, @MightyQuin. You seem very defensive, I wonder why that is?
Defensive....

Why would that be? Try harder, freedom fytah.

#### Pegasus

##### Executive Member
This is going to get interesting.
There is a lot of things not being told.
Starting with what he was doing at that house.

l’ll play.
He went for a quicky at his lovers house to only find out her husband was there.
He was very angry because she kept on denying knowing him.
She was hysterical because she is being caught out.
To play the game she had to phone 911 to make her seem all innocent.
And then all went pear shaped.
He attacks the cops and gets shot.

I’m with that take.
Although I still say it’s a whorehouse.

I’ve watched plenty Hawaii 5.0 and Magnum PI.
I know what goes on in that area.

#### Gordon_R

##### Honorary Master
I miss-spoke, meant to say that a felony burglary in progress is considered a violent crime and as such police where required to have their weapons drawn.

From 3 minutes 10 in the video.

Not sure of his background but he seems to know what he is talking about, you are welcome to offer an alternative source to gainsay this.

In progress. That's the key term. If he is outside the house, but sitting in his car inside the boundary fence, is it still burglary?

The video refers to SOP, not the law. Plaintiffs lawyers will have the police tied up in knots over this one.