KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

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They were wearing black uniforms in the blackness of night while pointing a flashlight at him and we expect Myeni should have been able to identify them as cops? I don't think that's a great argument

Personally I would probably also have run, but we all have different fight or flight instincts and as an ex rugby player I imagine the fight response is stronger with him.
Watching the video, you can hear the home owner screaming at the cops where he is, and the dude just started sprinting at the cops from out of the dark, cops reacted quite quickly tbh in regards to asking him to get on the ground, there was pretty much no time for them to announce themselves.

Based on the body cam footage, the police acted correctly.
 

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Thanks. I have nothing further to say.


You're not making it easy.

@RedViking Respectfully, RIP.

Yes, he had intention not to adhere to police orders. He also had intention to attack and injure the police officers.

Also, what did he do on the property? Seems he had intention to commit a crime there.

His death was justified and they should close the case and send his family back to South Africa.
 

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Watching the video, you can hear the home owner screaming at the cops where he is, and the dude just started sprinting at the cops from out of the dark, cops reacted quite quickly tbh in regards to asking him to get on the ground, there was pretty much no time for them to announce themselves.

Based on the body cam footage, the police acted correctly.

Not actions of a sane or sober man, his size and strength made it worse, cops acted correctly.
 

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Yes, he had intention not to adhere to police orders. He also had intention to attack and injure the police officers.

Also, what did he do on the property? Seems he had intention to commit a crime there.

His death was justified and they should close the case and send his family back to South Africa.
You responding to me with that makes me assume you haven't seen my hundreds of other posts for things like this.
 

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Watching the video, you can hear the home owner screaming at the cops where he is, and the dude just started sprinting at the cops from out of the dark, cops reacted quite quickly tbh in regards to asking him to get on the ground, there was pretty much no time for them to announce themselves.

Based on the body cam footage, the police acted correctly.
No dude, no. That's a stretch of your imagination
You can clearly see two people in the shot before he lunges at the officer whose body cam we are seeing. These two people are casually walking. Now again since there is no mention of a second suspect this second person must be a cop. Why are his hands down? Why does he not have his weapons drawn? I thought the cops knew this guy was c-c-c-crazy?? You guys keep saying it so it must be true. Why does cop#2 then act so casual?

And honesly, ROLFLFOLROLLOLOLOL. They have time to shout get on the ground three times but not once say btw we are cops? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
This is getting silly now, this is devolving into just plain dumb statements.
 

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You responding to me with that makes me assume you haven't seen my hundreds of other posts for things like this.

I quoted your post as I saw the link to the video in your post you quoted. That is all.
 

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who gets the money when the wife says no?
SA government will probably pay for it.
They were wearing black uniforms in the blackness of night while pointing a flashlight at him and we expect Myeni should have been able to identify them as cops? I don't think that's a great argument

Personally I would probably also have run, but we all have different fight or flight instincts and as an ex rugby player I imagine the fight response is stronger with him.

He was in someone else's property. If you are not at your home, you don't attack people who approach you. You run.
You might at best push them away. Not put 3 in hospital.
 

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They were wearing black uniforms in the blackness of night while pointing a flashlight at him and we expect Myeni should have been able to identify them as cops? I don't think that's a great argument

Personally I would probably also have run, but we all have different fight or flight instincts and as an ex rugby player I imagine the fight response is stronger with him.

Are those the only 2 options, nothing like "I am blah blah, who are you?"
 

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Twittards: Its was too dark in middle of night for him to see they were cops so he just defended himself
Also twittards: It was light enough in middle of night for cops to see he was black so they just killed him
:giggle:
 

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What a damn circus, gotta feel for those cops! damned if you do, damned if you don't!
 

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So much doesn't add up. The wife claims he went to clear his head after a "fun family day"? Must have been really fun.

So instead of taking a walk to clear his head, he gets in his car and goes to some random person's house, uninvited, and takes off his shoes?
SA government will probably pay for it.
Pay for what? To fly the body back to SA? Why would his wife want or allow that?
 

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Even as someone extremely privileged I still try to put myself in the position of an underprivileged Zulu Prince and an underprivileged police officer of the Pacific Islander race, and it still appears to be the type of ending that was largely driven by the unusual behaviours exhibited by Lindani. Perhaps additional info will be revealed to explain his behaviour.
 

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You just have to watch this. https://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-suing-city-san-jose-police-force-hotel/story?id=72396118

To realize cops in the USA are out of control.

And if thats what they are doing in front of cameras.... what are they doing when the camera is not rolling?
There are close to 700000 cops in the US all trained differently to varying standards. What does an incident in San Jose in 2019 have to do with veteran officers 4000km away in Hawaii? Nothing.
 

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I think a lot of you guys are still not understanding me.
At the end of the day I think the cops had no choice but to shoot (at least once). Very high chance of shooting to kill also being justified given how Myeni reacted. But there is the clue to my opinion, he reacted.

It doesn't seem like he was being violent when the cops arrived. No civilians were in immediate danger either. He reacted to a gun pointed in his face. Let's be clear here, from what we can see a non violent situation was followed up by making a lethal threat and shouting orders. That is an escalation. Again I'm not saying the reaction by Myeni is correct or justified in any manner whatsoever, but a better trained policeman would have at least attempted de-escalation and/or not have put himself directly in harm's way. This doesn't mean they need to have a cup of tea or sing Kumbaya with suspects, it doesn't mean they can't shoot, but there should be more steps involved before it gets there. Being able to adjust this or anonother scenario in order to safely allow those steps to happen though takes more training than the average US cops gets.

You guys can mull that around I've had my say
 
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