KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[ShaunSA]

You also don't need a degree to know that people who have suffered loss don't always act rationally...

Don't need a degree to see when someone's milking a situation either

 

[ShaunSA]

Maybe advertising for a new black rugby player to comfort her.

Yeah a part of me is starting to wonder if she married a black guy just for some brownie points. I tend to be rather cynical about human beings motives lately

 

[Cray]

Indeed, so probably not the grief causing this hey?

Who knows, but I imagine there were lawyers knocking on her door within hours telling her that she had a case. Maybe it's easier for her to accept that her husband was killed because of his race than his own actions.

 

[Milano]

Who knows, but I imagine there were lawyers knocking on her door within hours telling her that she had a case. Maybe it's easier for her to accept that her husband was killed because of his race than his own actions.

Likely as it did appear as though legal representation changed during the first 24 - 48 hours from a nobody lawyer to a hot shot lawyer.

 

[Milano]

Granted, but it still doesn't answer my questions. If he was already talking to a police officer, why did others decide to issue new orders for him to lie down? Did they not notice the police officers talking to him? They say the light from the spotlight was directly into his eyes. How would he have noticed they were police officers?

I watched the video but couldn't make out the figures against the dark background.

That was covered much earlier in the topic. The officer only reacted once the woman positively identified Myeni as the suspect which would seem a procedurally fair way to go about it.

 

[Milano]

They say the light from the spotlight was directly into his eyes.

Fortunately we do not need to guess about that. The video clearly shows there was no light directly shining into his eyes.

 

[TelkomUseless]

So you are on someone else property (night time) , someone tells you to stop, you attack them.

Yea don't cry when you get shot.

 

[Milano]

This thread (both the police officers and those who support their one-sided view) is a fantastic example of the Theory of Mind, and the failure thereof! See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

1. I am a police officer. Therefore the other person must know that I am a police officer.
2. I have been called to the scene of a crime. Therefore the other person must know this, and respond accordingly.
3. I give orders which are lawful. Therefore the other person must understand and acknowledge that my orders are valid, and must respond accordingly.
4. I shine a torch and can see the other person. Therefore the other person can see and recognise me.

IMO the reaction of the police officers, and many people on this thread, indicate a lack of understanding of human interactions, and an inability to deal with others. In other words, sociopaths...

Just checking if I follow.

He is in very close proximity to to the loud hysterical woman during the 911 call. Yet he heard nothing? He left the house completely unaware that there was an incident taking place? When the marked police vehicle stopped near his vehicle he was unable to identify it as a police vehicle although the woman could identify Myeni at a much greater distance and could also identify the officer she spoke with at a further distance? Myeni is unable to identify the police radio sounds we can hear on the recordings? Myeni is unable to identify the uniformed officer next to him? Or the new suggestion is that he identifies that he is standing next to a police officer but believes both him and the police officer are being told to get on the ground by a gangster? If one does not find all of this plausible then that person is a sociopath? If one believes the correct course of action at this point is to assault all three officers resulting in injuries which require hospitalisation then that would indicate one is of good mental pathology?

 

[wbot]

The officer who arrived to with his gun not knowing if the suspect is armed and dangerous or not did nothing wrong. Police should always be ready for anything.

Nashville gunman shot, ambushed police officer in 'setup call,' authorities say

The man called 911 saying his brother shot his mother and was firing inside, police say, but it turned out to be a "setup call."

www.fox4news.com

 

[Gordon_R]

Just checking if I follow.

He is in very close proximity to to the loud hysterical woman during the 911 call. Yet he heard nothing? He left the house completely unaware that there was an incident taking place? When the marked police vehicle stopped near his vehicle he was unable to identify it as a police vehicle although the woman could identify Myeni at a much greater distance and could also identify the officer she spoke with at a further distance? Myeni is unable to identify the police radio sounds we can hear on the recordings? Myeni is unable to identify the uniformed officer next to him? Or the new suggestion is that he identifies that he is standing next to a police officer but believes both him and the police officer are being told to get on the ground by a gangster? If one does not find all of this plausible then that person is a sociopath? If one believes the correct course of action at this point is to assault all three officers resulting in injuries which require hospitalisation then that would indicate one is of good mental pathology?

My point is that you cannot infer his state of mind from what you know afterwards. He is dead, and in no position to explain himself. Very easy to blame the dead guy.

I'm not saying there is no room for reasonable doubt, but the all or nothing versions are clearly wrong.

 

[Milano]

The officer who arrived to with his gun not knowing if the suspect is armed and dangerous or not did nothing wrong. Police should always be ready for anything.

Nashville gunman shot, ambushed police officer in 'setup call,' authorities say

The man called 911 saying his brother shot his mother and was firing inside, police say, but it turned out to be a "setup call."

www.fox4news.com

The officer is unbelievably on point with procedure. It would be extremely tempting to blind a potentially armed suspect with your maglite on arrival for your own safety and protection. But when you follow the torch light in the video the officer deliberately focuses the torch on the ground next to Myeni. Only when Myeni approaches him does he begin to raise the point of focus and still only up as high as Myeni's legs and belt. The torch focus never even even strays as high as Myeni's torso. Very good procedural behaviour under pressure.

 

[Milano]

My point is that you cannot infer his state of mind from what you know afterwards. He is dead, and in no position to explain himself. Very easy to blame the dead guy.

I'm not saying there is no room for reasonable doubt, but the all or nothing versions are clearly wrong.

Yet you inferred the state of mind of many. You honestly don't see any irony there?

 

[wbot]

Very easy to blame the dead guy.

In this particular case you can only blame the dead guy.

The dead guy who was the first to turn violent, the first to attack. They tried to use non lethal force but he kept on attacking. He could have easily killed a cop or 2.

It's amazing that when a big intruder goes berzerk and violently attacks police, people are trying to shift the blame to the police and even the lady of the house. He literally gave them no chance to talk

 

[GrootVoet]

https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/i-dont-want-to-raise-my-kids-in-america-its-unsafe-lindsay-myeni-wants-sa-citizenship

Please move to SA because is much safer than Hawaii.

Black people don't get murdered and raped here.

 

[Milano]

Well she talked about white privilege and suffering black people and that whites should feel guilty long before he died, so I imagine she'll talk about stuff like that a lot more now.

She also mentioned how hard and dangerous life is in SA for blacks and how useless our police are and how SA police can't be trusted and yet now she wants to raise her kids here. In white neighbourhoods I'd imagine because I think she mentioned in one of her vids how whites in white hoods get stage 1 load shedding while blacks get stage 3

Her obsession with race both before and since his death comes across as pathological. It is so obsessive it almost seems as though this is the moment she had been waiting for her entire life to vindicate her own thought patterns. That is not to say there are no truths in her observations on race but we can sometimes in life be less certain of perceived intolerance and instead look at the roles of all role players during the escalation of an incident.

 

[Moosedrool]

So you are on someone else property (night time) , someone tells you to stop, you attack them.

Yea don't cry when you get shot.

It's amazing how some people are still blaming the cops. The 2 neurons must be working overtime in some peoples heads doing all this mental gymnastics.

 

[Temujin]

Well she talked about white privilege and suffering black people and that whites should feel guilty long before he died, so I imagine she'll talk about stuff like that a lot more now.

She also mentioned how hard and dangerous life is in SA for blacks and how useless our police are and how SA police can't be trusted and yet now she wants to raise her kids here. In white neighbourhoods I'd imagine because I think she mentioned in one of her vids how whites in white hoods get stage 1 load shedding while blacks get stage 3

Shes in for a surprise

 

[Milano]

You reckon that in 3 more weeks she’ll say it’s not racist and apologize to everyone that she wrongfully accused of racism etc...

I have no idea... my crystal ball is out for repairs. Since she is suing the police for wrongful death of her husband, I would imagine not.

His wife has made public statements that allege racism on the part of the police department, the US in general and SA in general.

Race is mentioned only twice in the wrongful death case and in both instances it is alleged only against the property owner/manager:

13. The Coelho Way Property was a place of public accommodation within the
meaning of HRS Chapter 489 at 91 Coelho Way. The business operated at that location was “an establishment that provides lodging to transient guests,” within the meaning of HRS Section 489-1 which had advertised on Airbnb.com and Instagram. As such, discrimination by persons owning, operating or controlling that establishment on grounds of race is prohibited by law.

17. After Mr. Myeni arrived by car and removed his shoes upon entering the transient
accommodations house on the Property, Mr. Myeni became aware that he was unwelcome and left the house peacefully. Plaintiff alleges that the response by the occupants of the Property was motivated by Mr. Myeni’s race and constituted racial discrimination in public accommodation.

Was the AirBnB offered for rental as a single entire house or on a room by room basis?

 

[MachoPants]

Granted, but it still doesn't answer my questions. If he was already talking to a police officer, why did others decide to issue new orders for him to lie down? Did they not notice the police officers talking to him? They say the light from the spotlight was directly into his eyes. How would he have noticed they were police officers?

I watched the video but couldn't make out the figures against the dark background.

Everything is speculation at the moment, it would have been far more useful to comply, he would be alive today.

 

[Gordon_R]

Yet you inferred the state of mind of many. You honestly don't see any irony there?

Yes, the others have publicly stated their opinions on a public forum. The dead guy has not had that opportunity. The police have been very selective in releasing evidence. No irony at all.