KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[Moosedrool]

Partially, yes. It does not take an expert to know if you attack 3 men with guns you will get shot. But every situation deserves a proper investigation before conclusions are made example such as "he is a criminal, he deserved to die" "he punched the police, he deserved to be shot, end of case". It is not as simple as that. There are a lot questions and events that we have no knowledge or facts on that lead to the situation. He might be guilty or not, but currently there are simply not enough facts and context the the situation.

He is guilty of assaulting 3 men. That's the crime that got him killed.

I assure you the Hawaii police force is looking back into the situation. Even at how to avoid it better but I can also assure you (and this is going to offend people for some reason today) a big section of that is training their cops to better defend themselves as well.

The outcome of this is that the cops did their jobs correctly and require recognition for their service.

 

[RedViking]

He is guilty of assaulting 3 men. That's the crime that got him killed.

I assure you the Hawaii police force is looking back into the situation. Even at how to avoid it better but I can also assure you (and this is going to offend people for some reason today) a big section of that is training their cops to better defend themselves as well.

The outcome of this is that the cops did their jobs correctly and require recognition for their service.

I understand, but at the same time there needs to be clarity in what led up to the situation.

Remember that one of the cops conveniently didn't switch his camera on. It also appears, difficult to see, that one of the cops was talking to him.

There is possibly more to the situation than what we are aware of and why he suddenly went out like that on the cops. That should also be taken in consideration.

 

[RedViking]

@Moosedrool what is your opinion on the lady that was going hysterical? There was other people in the house as well, and some one chatting to Lindani in the background. There was also another person next to the hysterical lady saying calmly in the background "I don't know why he is here." Why was she going so hysterical? She said he has no weapon and he is not violent. She said something about "following me". Who is she? Who are the other people in the house? What were their views of the event when statements were taken?

 

[Moosedrool]

@Moosedrool what is your opinion on the lady that was going hysterical? There was other people in the house as well, and some one chatting to Lindani in the background. There was also another person next to the hysterical lady saying calmly in the background "I don't know why he is here." Why was she going so hysterical? She said he has no weapon and he is not violent. She said something about "following me". Who is she? Who are the other people in the house? What were their views of the event when statements were taken?

My opinion is that anyone is allowed to call the police when they believe their being followed or in danger. The police are there to protect and serve.

 

[Vrotappel]

I understand, but at the same time there needs to be clarity in what led up to the situation.

Remember that one of the cops conveniently didn't switch his camera on. It also appears, difficult to see, that one of the cops was talking to him.

There is possibly more to the situation than what we are aware of and why he suddenly went out like that on the cops. That should also be taken in consideration.

So the cops arriving on the scene should have simply stood still while he was beating them to pieces?

Someting might have happened before then but from the point the cops arrives and the woman screams how could this possibly turn out any other way?

Seriously it seems people sees only what they want to see.

 

[Vrotappel]

My opinion is that anyone is allowed to call the police when they believe their being followed or in danger. The police are there to protect and serve.

It seems we have moved to an alternative reality where black people can do what they want to do and cops are not allowed to enforce the law or defend themselves.

WTF is wrong with people?

 

[ForceFate]

No but @ForceFate says that this is how someone copes and saying anything ridiculing that requires a psychology degree.

You're being dishonest. This is the post.

It doesn't matter how it happened. It's a loss of a partner and father of her kids. Maybe this is her coping mechanism.

 

[Mila]

Still no facts just Fu*kery

 

[RedViking]

My opinion is that anyone is allowed to call the police when they believe their being followed or in danger. The police are there to protect and serve.

I understand that. Just trying to piece together what he has done to her to warrant such a hysterical response.

What did the first cop say, what seems that way anyways, who was talking to Lindani and why did he not attack then?

 

[Vorastra]

You're being dishonest. This is the post.

Not even being dishonest.
Literally just tagged the wrong person lmao

It was meant for @Cray

 

[Moosedrool]

I understand that. Just trying to piece together what he has done to her to warrant such a hysterical response.

What did the first cop say, what seems that way anyways, who was talking to Lindani and why did he not attack then?

You tell me who that guy is and what he said. Tell me what he could've possibly said that warrants the events that followed?

 

[RedViking]

You tell me who that guy is and what he said. Tell me what he could've possibly said that warrants the events that followed?

No one knows.

 

[Mach III]

I understand that. Just trying to piece together what he has done to her to warrant such a hysterical response.

What did the first cop say, what seems that way anyways, who was talking to Lindani and why did he not attack then?

Nothing can justify his response other than the dude having anger/trauma issues.

He needed psychological help/ anger management/ rehabilitation.

Anyone who can control their anger would not have done what he did.

If you have trouble understanding this, you may also have undealt with anger/issues. No one is to blame except for himself.

Accept your own limitations in living in a 3rd world country. The 1st World country responded really well to the situation. Could have been a little bit better; if you see that possibility to be that little bit better, maybe you should join the Hawaii police force.

 

[Cray]

No but @ForceFate says that this is how someone copes and saying anything ridiculing that requires a psychology degree.

Ridiculing someone who has lost a loved one....so edgy.

 

[wbot]

Ridiculing someone who has lost a loved one....so edgy.

I remember how everyone ridiculed Trump for example and his entire family when his brother died and no one cared.

I would have more sympathy with her if she didn't try to create some sort of racial storm and accusing everyone of being racist towards the prince. And I don't believe she's saying all these things out of grief. I think she means every word.

I feel for the kids though but at least they're still very young.

 

[ponder]

Ridiculing someone who has lost a loved one....so edgy.

Yeah no, seems it depends on who died whether it's ok or not.

 

[Vorastra]

Ridiculing someone who has lost a loved one....so edgy.

At what point can she be ridiculed?
When she says something that you think is ridiculous?

She's so obviously full of shet the moment she started spewing about South Africa being safer.

 

[Cray]

I remember how everyone ridiculed Trump for example and his entire family when his brother died and no one cared.

Trump was a terrible person long before his brother died, but I don't agree with those who had a go at him when he lost his brother.

I would have more sympathy with her if she didn't try to create some sort of racial storm and accusing everyone of being racist towards the prince. And I don't believe she's saying all these things out of grief. I think she means every word.

Quite possibly, people want to believe certain things are true if it fits their world view

I feel for the kids though but at least they're still very young.

Yup, me too.

 

[Cray]

At what point can she be ridiculed?
When she says something that you think is ridiculous?

Hey, if you want to be the guy that mocks a grieving widow don't let me stop you.. Am sure it's a great look for some..

 

[RedViking]

Trump lost his brother?