KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[wbot]

They could have put on that blue flashing light. They could have identified themselves. They could have de-escalated the situation instead playing Rambo.

How did they try to play rambo when it was he who attacked them? All they did was to tell him to stop and get on the ground. He attacked, they tasered him while getting punched. One was knocked out but THEY played Rambo. Ok then

 

[Gatecrasher]

He was on the wrong property (and INSIDE the house, freaking the people out) ... and he goes rambo. Good choice attacking anyone coming towards you. He gambled with the attack and lost.

You mean an unarmed person not involved in a crime is dead at the hands of incompetent police who failed miserably in doing their job.

 

[TelkomUseless]

How did they try to play rambo when it was he who attacked them? All they did was to tell him to stop and get on the ground. He attacked, they tasered him while getting punched. One was knocked out but THEY played Rambo. Ok then

Yea the cops went in gun blazing , shooting left and right... Rambo style

 

[Gatecrasher]

How did they try to play rambo when it was he who attacked them? All they did was to tell him to stop and get on the ground. He attacked, they tasered him while getting punched. One was knocked out but THEY played Rambo. Ok then

When he asked "who are you?" the reply was "**** you".

 

[TelkomUseless]

You mean an unarmed person not involved in a crime is dead at the hands of incompetent police who failed miserably in doing their job.

He attacked them. He gambled he lost. (Well he was trespassing and attacking them, which is assault)

Would you go to the cops and start beating them up ? Even with no weapons on you ..

 

[Moosedrool]

You mean an unarmed person not involved in a crime is dead at the hands of incompetent police who failed miserably in doing their job.

He’s assaulting them, he was literally killed while committing a crime.

I think they did an excellent job.

 

[Cray]

How did they try to play rambo when it was he who attacked them? All they did was to tell him to stop and get on the ground. He attacked, they tasered him while getting punched. One was knocked out but THEY played Rambo. Ok then

Did you forget the part where, according to his point of vuew, unidentified people where threatening him with firearms?

The whole thing would most likely not have happened if they had identified themselves and not approached him with guns drawn.

Why was there ever a need to approach him with guns drawn when the 911 operator had confirmed he was not armed?

 

[TelkomUseless]

He’s assaulting them, he was literally killed while committing a crime.

I think they did an excellent job.

Spot on

 

[Gatecrasher]

He’s assaulting them, he was literally killed while committing a crime.

So some random person comes up to you wielding a gun and you attack and disarm them... that's a crime?

I don't think so. If police had announced themselves then yes.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Why was there a need for him to threaten people and then the need to go savage on the cops ..... oh, there wasn't a need except to paint the criminal as the poor victim of these racist violent police

There's a big police problem in the US with the over militarization. This is not one of those problems.

 

[TelkomUseless]

Did you forget the part where, according to his point of vuew, unidentified people where threatening him with firearms?

The whole thing would most likely not have happened if they had identified themselves and not approached him with guns drawn.

Why was there ever a need to approach him with guns drawn when the 911 operator had confirmed he was not armed?

Hm.. going into a dangerous situation. She didn't see a weapon.. but he could have pulled a gun/etc. Cops would be crazy just to walk in the dark .... with nothing to defend.

 

[TelkomUseless]

So some random person comes up to you wielding a gun and you attack and disarm them... that's a crime?

I don't think so. If police had announced themselves then yes.

Hmm.. if your own property yes. But he was on the wrong property and he knew it. So why go attacking ?

 

[wbot]

When he asked "who are you?" the reply was "**** you".

No. They said **** you while being attacked and getting punched.

 

[Dan C]

Did you forget the part where, according to his point of vuew, unidentified people where threatening him with firearms?

The whole thing would most likely not have happened if they had identified themselves and not approached him with guns drawn.

Why was there ever a need to approach him with guns drawn when the 911 operator had confirmed he was not armed?

Since when do you need to be armed to kill someone ?

 

[Cray]

Since when do you need to be armed to kill someone ?

Prior to them pulling their guns, what had Myeni done that made them think he was a threat to them?

 

[wbot]

Why was there ever a need to approach him with guns drawn when the 911 operator had confirmed he was not armed?

They don't know if he's armed or not. The 911 operator don't know for a fact he's unarmed.

He went back to his car before cops arrived. They don't know if he maybe grabbed a weapon or if he's concealing anything.

Would be stupid of the cops to approach anyone in the dark and not be ready for any surprises. Cops arrived to confront a trespasser and a possible burglar who pretty much immediately attacked when cop told him to get down.

 

[Cray]

Hm.. going into a dangerous situation. She didn't see a weapon.. but he could have pulled a gun/etc. Cops would be crazy just to walk in the dark .... with nothing to defend.

For a non violent call out?

 

[TelkomUseless]

For a non violent call out?

He was attacking them. Like I said... he knew he was in wrong yard.. why go attacking.

I don't expect cops to walk in any dark situation unarmed. That would be suicide. Even if "not violent" call out. if it was daylight.. then yea.

 

[Dan C]

Prior to them pulling their guns, what had Myeni done that made them think he was a threat to them?

He moered them. Good enough ? You do not need a weapon to kill someone.

 

[Cray]

They don't know if he's armed or not. The 911 operator don't know for a fact he's unarmed.

He went back to his car before cops arrived. They don't know if he maybe grabbed a weapon or if he's concealing anything.

Would be stupid of the cops to approach anyone in the dark and not be ready for any surprises. Cops arrived to confront a trespasser and a possible burglar who pretty much immeadiately attacked when cop told him to get down.

The key part of all of that is to correctly identify yourselves as police..

Do you agree that pointing a gun at someone and shouting commands is threatening behaviour? We allows cops to do it because they are cops but if they do not identify themselves how can you expect people to behave correctly when threatened with a deadly weapon.

Pulling guns is an immediate escalation to an encounter which was not at all violent up until that point.