KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[Willie Trombone]

Except he literally left the building.. and the lady was not alone, her husband was there and he did not appear in a threatening manner.. I just see major over reaction by all including the victim though.. (I do wonder how they know he isn’t a new guest at the guest house.. if it was for multiple guests).

He left the building after her call to 911. At that stage she is emotional. That's all there is to it - she was over the edge. The adrenalin started wearing off. Have a little empathy for her, she didn't incite him or the cops.

you welcome to visit me, I’ll tell the security you a major threat, armed, be hysterical and let them shine the same bright torch and let’s see what happens . Except in SA if security or police shoot they go through court and likely jail.. in US.. nope.

She was emotional, not hysterical. She told them he was unarmed. She told them he hadn't threatened them.
I'd say you're coming across as a little emotional there.

 

[zolly]

I don't understand what's so difficult to get about this situation. Even if Myeni overreacted, he didn't deserve to die for it. The cops are supposed to be trained in order to de-escalate the situation, as well as be able to handle one unarmed man.

But guess what?

US cops go from being random people to fully armed and "ready to serve" in 6 months. (Edit. I spent more years learning how to use words correctly and professionally, let alone deadly weapons). That's with roughly 7 hours of training 5 days a week, minus holidays. Even in SA it's 2 years of police training, and most of our cops still suck. The sad reality is the cops in the US are basically told "shoot first, shoot some more, reload, empty that clip, then ask questions later" because they are protected by BS laws that prevent them from being accountable.

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[DA-LION-619]

Ok, so is the fact that he was in the wrong place now in question or something?

Who gives a fsck what the slimey lawyers looking for a pay day will do/say? At the end of the day the reality of the situation is the whole thing went sideways and both the police and Lindani shoulder the blame for that. And no, it wasn't racism or anything of the sort... things just went fscking wrong.

Well there’s those that think the police shoulder no blame and those that wanna see how lawyers handle it.

 

[Willie Trombone]

That 911 call was for a burglary, not trespassing and a false 911 call is a crime similar to swatting.

She was not a native english speaker and reported a "break in" which was probably her way of saying "trespassing"

 

[Willie Trombone]

I don't understand what's so difficult to get about this situation. Even if Myeni overreacted, he didn't deserve to die for it. The cops are supposed to be trained in order to de-escalate the situation, as well as be able to handle one unarmed man.

But guess what?

US cops go from being random people to fully armed and "ready to serve" in 6 months. (Edit. I spent more years learning how to use words correctly and professionally, let alone deadly weapons). That's with roughly 7 hours of training 5 days a week, minus holidays. Even in SA it's 2 years of police training, and most of our cops still suck. The sad reality is the cops in the US are basically told "shoot first, shoot some more, reload, empty that clip, then ask questions later" because they are protected by BS laws that prevent them from being accountable.

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Two out of three cops were badly injured, a taser had been deployed to no effect and Myeni was aggressively attacking the shooter's colleague at the time. What would you have done?

 

[ForceFate]

This is the part I don't get.

He saw they threatened hm with a deadly weapon, but he did not see their badges and uniforms?

They did not identify themselves, yet the videos shows flashing lights?

Seems selective vision is a thing, each one only seeing what he wants to.

Where do you see flashing lights? According to the police and Myeni's family lawyer, the police arrived with no flashing lights or sirens.

From the old videos, you can see them shining their flashlights onto his face, which might have made it difficult for him to see badges and other identifying features of police uniforms.

 

[Willie Trombone]

You know they need it to be burglary right? To justify drawing their weapon...

It was reported as a break in

 

[Fulcrum29]

In my view, the available evidence is still too limited to come to a conclusion. I still question why Lindani Myeni went to that particular house. Their legal representative is arguing the temple story, and though the temple is theoretically next door the entrance is around the bend, knowing that Lindsay Myeni told the news that Lindani liked the house at 91 Coelho Way.

The argument has changed. Lindsay said that he may have known someone at that residence, and it was the lawyer who turned this perception into the temple angle.

Anyhow, what is now established is that Lindani Myeni seemed sober. The Ring video is incomplete, and also edited by inserting the 911 call into the video, building assumptions argued by the Myeni legal team.

I would say that ToxicBunny is correct at this time. All parties are shouldering the blame here. What will be argued in court is the police protocol used in this incident.

It leaves open whether Lindini had a relationship with the homeowner, however it would have nothing to do with the consequences leading up to his death other than his presence at that property.

What is outstanding is the interviews with the Wang occupants and the call 'Dexter' made to the probable home owner, but I don't know where this is in the video,

According to the audio from that call, Wang told Myeni to “please leave.” Bickerton says Dexter Wang can be heard in the background saying, “We have no temple.”

did the same lawyer not argue that 'Sabine' said that Lindani was stealing the car, when she actually said, "He's still in the car"?

The strange part is where Lindani exists, apologises repeatedly, but then tell them that he knows them and asks whether he can see her phone, why?

 

[ForceFate]

So random people can just randomly walk into your property?

If it's a large property close to a similarly large public gathering area like a temple, there's always a chance someone will get lost and enter your property. If it's got a gate with a buzzer, at least you can safely redirect them. However, it's not the case here. Forget about the colour of the man and watch the video for again, specially where he follows them to the door of their house.

 

[Willie Trombone]

The strange part is where Lindani exists, apologises repeatedly, but then tell them that he knows them and asks whether he can see her phone, why?

Minor detail - he was referring to the husband's phone I believe. But yes, indeed weird. Not expected behavior.
For the most part this was a series of unfortunate events and the cops will have to reassess their training. Myeni won't get a chance to reassess his behavior sadly, but most definitely both parties needed to go about things differently in hindsight.

 

[wbot]

The strange part is where Lindani exists, apologises repeatedly, but then tell them that he knows them and asks whether he can see her phone, why?

Yup that is strange.

Also what is weird is that he didn't leave immediately when he realized he's at the wrong place. The woman even pretended to call 911 at first to try and get him to leave but he stayed inside the house for almost 10 minutes. He didn't leave immediately like media is now reporting. The husband also had to tell him his wife is now scared but he did not leave.

 

[Gatecrasher]

Two out of three cops were badly injured and a taser had been deployed to no effect. What would you have done?

Since he was unarmed, calm, non-violent up to the point when I arrived on the scene, I would have seriously considered showing my badge and saying: "Good evening, Sir. This is the police."

Not a difficult thing to do, surely?
Would have avoided his death, my injuries and the injuries of my two colleagues.

 

[zolly]

Two out of three cops were badly injured, a taser had been deployed to no effect and Myeni was aggressively attacking the shooter's colleague at the time. What would you have done?

Are you asking me what "Zolly, the random guy who sits in front of his PC" would have done or "Zolly, the guy who got two or more years of police training in order to properly deal with these situations" would have done?

 

[DA-LION-619]

It was reported as a break in

Which is why it’s tricky I think the escalation happened before the 3rd officer was on scene.
Also each dept seems to have their own rules for justification, that cop video only covered burglary.

 

[zolly]

Two out of three cops were badly injured, a taser had been deployed to no effect and Myeni was aggressively attacking the shooter's colleague at the time. What would you have done?

Also, do you think that 6 months of training for all the various aspects of police work is enough considering far less intense and complicated jobs require more time?

 

[DA-LION-619]

Also, do you think that 6 months of training for all the various aspects of police work is enough considering far less intense and complicated jobs require more time?

I think cop that got the skull fractures had 20+ years of experience.

 

[Cray]

This is the part I don't get.

He saw they threatened hm with a deadly weapon, but he did not see their badges and uniforms?

They did not identify themselves, yet the videos shows flashing lights?

Seems selective vision is a thing, each one only seeing what he wants to.

At night time, with a maglite torch shining in your eyes, you could easily see a gun and be blinded by what is behind the bright light in your face.

Have you ever tried to see past a bright light source in the dark?

 

[Vrotappel]

If only the person did not attack the cops on sight he would have been alive. In my opinion he knew it was cops and who knows what went wrong in his head. Maybe to much MSM and he felt it is OK to attack cops. Many people around here seems to think so. Well sometimes it does not work out that great for you.

 

[Cray]

Standard police procedure for a burglary call in the police department there, as explained quite a number of times already, they actually tried to not shoot him and used tasers and it didn't work.

Weird, the 911 call never mentions theft or burglary... why would they respond as if it was a burglary?

 

[Vrotappel]

At night time, with a maglite torch shining in your eyes, you could easily see a gun and be blinded by what is behind the bright light in your face.

Have you ever tried to see past a bright light source in the dark?

Well besides the fact that he was aware that the cops were called. Maybe he had memory problems as well? I mean how many more excuses can we dig up to try and justify his behaviour. He surely cannot be in the wrong.