KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[Vrotappel]

Weird, the 911 call never mentions theft or burglary... why would they respond as if it was a burglary?

In your expert opinion what should they have done? Seeing you are such an expert on these type of situations due to your extensive experience in the field.

 

[Cray]

And weapons drawn doesn't mean attack/shoot. He could just gotten down and complied.

Do you always obey commands from random people telling you to get down? If he didn't know they cops why would he feel the need to obey?

he brought fist to a gun fight with 3 cops.

True, but the key thing is here, did he know/realise that the people he attacked where cops, it's not like they identified themselves?

 

[zolly]

I think cop that got the skull fractures had 20+ years of experience.

And that 20 years of experience taught him to point a bright light and gun at someone without identifying himself?

 

[Cray]

Well besides the fact that he was aware that the cops were called. Maybe he had memory problems as well? I mean how many more excuses can we dig up to try and justify his behaviour. He surely cannot be in the wrong.

He clearly made mistakes that evening, I have no issue admitting that. Do you accept that the cops where wrong for not announcing themselves when they pulled their guns on an unarmed man who wasn't behaving violently?

 

[Cray]

In your expert opinion what should they have done? Seeing you are such an expert on these type of situations due to your extensive experience in the field.

Not escalate the situation by drawing guns on someone who wasn't acting in a threatening way? Or if the cops where fearful for their safety, clearly announcing that they where police before giving orders? This isn't rocket science.

 

[zolly]

If only the person did not attack the cops on sight he would have been alive. In my opinion he knew it was cops and who knows what went wrong in his head. Maybe to much MSM and he felt it is OK to attack cops. Many people around here seems to think so. Well sometimes it does not work out that great for you.

Mentions MSM:

Okay, what are your thoughts on the rioters that stormed the US Capitol and assaulted and killed cops? Why did so many people who clearly outnumbered the police get away with assaulting and killing police officers there with only one rioter getting killed? Compare that to Myeni's situation, where the police outnumbered one man and chose to go for a lethal shot instead of treating him with kid gloves, the way most people were treated when they literally mobbed the center of US democracy?

It doesn't add up. Either more rioters should have died at the Capitol, or Myeni should be alive.

 

[ForceFate]

If only the person did not attack the cops on sight he would have been alive. In my opinion he knew it was cops and who knows what went wrong in his head. Maybe to much MSM and he felt it is OK to attack cops. Many people around here seems to think so. Well sometimes it does not work out that great for you.

This is where things get muddled in...

How was he going to see it's police officers?

 

[Tokolotshe]

At night time, with a maglite torch shining in your eyes, you could easily see a gun and be blinded by what is behind the bright light in your face.

Have you ever tried to see past a bright light source in the dark?

Nope. The torch is clearly on his shoes. But if we were to accept it was not so, my argument still hold - how could he then see the gun?

Round and around we go ...

Once correction - thanks to @ForceFate

They did not identify themselves, yet the videos shows flashing lights?

Correct - this incident did not have flashing lights.

 

[Cray]

Nope. The torch is clearly on his shoes. But if we were to accept it was not so, my argument still hold - how could he then see the gun?

Okay, look at the video,...

Pause it at 5:20. you can clearly see that there is a light shining on his hand with the gun, the rest of his arm fades into darkness, is it really that hard to believe that he could see the gun and not see details of the badge the cops where wearing because of the torch being held in his other hand?

Quick question, this guy had no history of criminal activity, was a father, if you insist he knew they where cops, why attack them knowing what US cops generally do to people when threatened?

 

[Cray]

He’s assaulting them, he was literally killed while committing a crime.

He assaulted three people who threatened him with guns, the facts that they where cops might have not been known to him, a case could be made for self defense.

 

[Vrotappel]

He clearly made mistakes that evening, I have no issue admitting that. Do you accept that the cops where wrong for not announcing themselves when they pulled their guns on an unarmed man who wasn't behaving violently?

I don't think they had time to announce themselves.

 

[Tokolotshe]

This is where things get muddled in...

How was he going to see it's police officers?

This is at the point he's being tazered. He continues ... not oops - my bad, I made a mistake.


Anyway, looking at the footage again, the cop approached and is clearly visible to him standing in the dark.



Maybe he way praying, eyes closed, since he was allegedly a Christian denied access to what he believed a Hare Krishna temple which turned out to be an allegedly brothel previously ... Dunno ...

 

[Vrotappel]

Not escalate the situation by drawing guns on someone who wasn't acting in a threatening way? Or if the cops where fearful for their safety, clearly announcing that they where police before giving orders? This isn't rocket science.

In my opinion they had no time to announce themselves, however I am 100% sure he knew they were cops. That is the only way to explain his behaviour.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

This is at the point he's being tazered. He continues ... not oops - my bad, I made a mistake.
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Anyway, looking at the footage again, the cop approached and is clearly visible to him standing in the dark.

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Maybe he way praying, eyes closed, since he was allegedly a Christian denied access to what he believed a Hare Krishna temple which turned out to be an allegedly brothel previously ... Dunno ...

They seem rather incapable of seeing what is right there on video and will excuse the poor 'victim' in perpetuity. Those damn racist and rambo cops that just went in guns blazing on that poor black man *shakes fist* and all that!

 

[Tokolotshe]

Okay, look at the video,...

Pause it at 5:20. you can clearly see that there is a light shining on his hand with the gun, the rest of his arm fades into darkness, is it really that hard to believe that he could see the gun and not see details of the badge the cops where wearing because of the torch being held in his other hand?

Quick question, this guy had no history of criminal activity, was a father, if you insist he knew they where cops, why attack them knowing what US cops generally do to people when threatened?

This source has a much clearer video - ~20seconds in:

GRAPHIC: HPD releases body cam footage of police shooting in Nuuanu that left man dead

The footage shows two responding officers didn’t identify themselves as police until after shots were fired. HPD said it was clear who they were.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

The torch was not in his eyes. Anything else is speculation. Perhaps he heard about the evil cops in the news, that's why he went there ... so do we start blaming MSM for it as well?

 

[wbot]

where the police outnumbered one man and chose to go for a lethal shot instead of treating him with kid gloves

You know they gave him verbal commands to stop and get down. When that failed and while they were getting punched they tried tasering him. When that failed and while getting punched some more and getting knocked out, they shot him.

I mean, it's almost like some people think police arrived and just started shooting

 

[ForceFate]

I don't think they had time to announce themselves.

They did. Watch the videos.

 

[zolly]

You know they gave him verbal commands to stop and get down. When that failed and while they were getting punched they tried tasering him. When that failed and while getting punched some more and getting knocked out, they shot him.

I mean, it's almost like some people think police arrived and just started shooting

It's night time. Suddenly I come up on you pointing a bright light and gun in your face. I tell you to get down. You're from a country where people will kill you for a few cents in your pocket. You charge and start punching me, so I taser you while telling you repeatedly to stop, but you are fighting for your life so you don't stop, especially since you realise I have a gun. Since you won't stop, my friend goes for a lethal shot even though he could have aimed for a non-lethal one.

You didn't or couldn't see I was a cop during the whole altercation.

Did you deserve to die?

My point is that well-trained cops wouldn't have even gotten themselves in that situation. But cops that go from zero to licensed to kill in 6 months do. Even if they have 20 years of experience, if they've never been taught how to de-escalate situations, they'll do what they always do.

 

[wbot]

You charge and start punching me, so I taser you while telling you repeatedly to stop, but you are fighting for your life so you don't stop

Lol those pesky cops who shot a man who won't stop fighting because he decided to fight for his life against armed cops.

Also, you said they should have taken a non-lethal shot. How? He running around like crazy, everyone's moving and running around in the dark and he's sitting on top of an officer who is probably knocked out with skull fractures or whatever. To other officers it could look like a dead cop, but sure during all the action, take your time and aim for a nice non-lethal spot while he continues to attack everyone.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

pointing a bright light and gun in your face... You charge and start punching me
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Did you deserve to die?

Absolutely yes, without a shadow of a doubt.

If you attack people with your fists when you know they have guns already aimed at you ... exactly WTF do you expect the outcome to be?!? That level of stupidity deserves to be removed from the gene pool.

And that is assuming they are just unidentified gunmen, now factor in the fact that he literally saw and heard the couple phone the police and minutes later he has guns pointed at him, gee, I wonder who that could be after he witnessed people calling 911 ... it must be the local thugs from the hood right?