KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

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So how come you are still alive ?

Because I was taught never to assault an armed cop. And never did so either.

Good for you. Some good education and parenting.

Absolutely!

Well, hang on now - it's not absolute.

You see, if the cop was a fake cop ... or a rapist ... then your education would have f#cked you over!

 

[The_MAC]

Well done to the police for killing this guy. He was clearly not sane at the time, had drugs in his blood and it is just a shame some officers had to get hurt in the process. They should have shot and killed him before any officer were injured.

No, he should have been detained and provided psychiatric help.

 

[rvZA]

No, he should have been detained and provided psychiatric help.

I do know that this is what the leftist loonies and crazy libtards are calling for and begging for. Unfortunately, this is not how real life works.

Oh, and by the way, in real life cops do not carry arms to catch criminals and take them for psychiatric help. Cops are not armed to go out to shoot only some terrorists. Cops are not armed to go out and shoot only some white or black folk. Cops are armed specifically for situations like this. To shoot and kill the person who threatens their lives.

Again, this was a job well done by the Police,

 

[rvZA]

Well, hang on now - it's not absolute.

You see, if the cop was a fake cop ... or a rapist ... then your education would have f#cked you over!

So, was this fake cops who tried to rape him then?

Nope, he clashed with reality. Sometime, between all the fake cops and rapists in uniform targeting you every day, your time will run out and you will clash with a real cop, with a real gun and real bullets and no stiffie in his pants.

My education was sound, thank you.

 

[ponder]

No, he should have been detained and provided psychiatric help.

Not after a taser was deployed having no effect and a cop suffering several facial fractures. How much leeway do you want to give the guy, one dead cop, two dead cops? They tried to detain him, exercised less lethal force and that did not work.

 

[G'Wobblez]

a boat...

 

[The_MAC]

I do know that this is what the leftist loonies and crazy libtards are calling for and begging for. Unfortunately, this is not how real life works.

Oh, and by the way, in real life cops do not carry arms to catch criminals and take them for psychiatric help. Cops are not armed to go out to shoot only some terrorists. Cops are not armed to go out and shoot only some white or black folk. Cops are armed specifically for situations like this. To shoot and kill the person who threatens their lives.

Again, this was a job well done by the Police,

You missed my point and started to bring philosophy into it, focus.

I am not disputing the fact that he got killed due to clear and dangerous aggression. The cops didn't have much of a choice.

The ideal outcome would have been to try and help the guy, I'm sure he wasn't born like this..

Try and think out of the box once in a while

 

[The_MAC]

Not after a taser was deployed having no effect and a cop suffering several facial fractures. How much leeway do you want to give the guy, one dead cop, two dead cops? They tried to detain him, exercised less lethal force and that did not work.

I meant in an ideal situation. He sealed his fate.

 

[rvZA]

You missed my point and started to bring philosophy into it, focus.

I am not disputing the fact that he got killed due to clear and dangerous aggression. The cops didn't have much of a choice.

The ideal outcome would have been to try and help the guy, I'm sure he wasn't born like this..

Try and think out of the box once in a while

No, the "philosophy" is contained in the statement that he should be helped. Real life facts is that you get killed.

 

[The_MAC]

No, the "philosophy" is contained in the statement that he should be helped. Real life facts is that you get killed.

What should, and what did happen are two different things.

But if this is how you think, then I guess you are pretty much 1 dimensional: "They should have shot and killed him before any officer were injured"

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

No, he should have been detained and provided psychiatric help.

Oh dear...this fantasy nonsense again.

 

[RedViking]

Keyboard warriors.

 

[Ponderer]

What should, and what did happen are two different things.

But if this is how you think, then I guess you are pretty much 1 dimensional: "They should have shot and killed him before any officer were injured"

Mmmmm - not sure what you are trying to argue here.
It would seem that you are saying that the police should not have done anything until after the dude did something terrible.
Following your reasoning, the police are fukked either way - they are "wrong" if they do something to prevent something bad from happening, and are also wrong if they don't do anything to prevent something bad from happening.

 

[The_MAC]

Mmmmm - not sure what you are trying to argue here.
It would seem that you are saying that the police should not have done anything until after the dude did something terrible.
Following your reasoning, the police are fukked either way - they are "wrong" if they do something to prevent something bad from happening, and are also wrong if they don't do anything to prevent something bad from happening.

C'mon, it's not that difficult to understand, you don't have to wonder too much.

Let me write it out again.

He got shot and killed, the cops had no choice, they did their job, it was not their fault.

What would have been an ideal outcome, is to detain him, and provide him with assistance - I mean the guy has a family, a wife etc. It doesn't appear that he was a seasoned criminal. Surely underneath all the rage was someone that could have been helped. But unfortunately due to his actions he was taken out.

 

[The_MAC]

Oh dear...this fantasy nonsense again.

Why is it a fantasy? Is it impossible to help someone with a mental disorder?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Why is it a fantasy? Is it impossible to help someone with a mental disorder?

Strawman much?

 

[The_MAC]

Strawman much?

I see the previous posts have been deleted.

The main point I am presenting is that the guy, ideally should have been treated psychologically.

I have already made my stance clear on the fact that he was responsible for his own death, the cops did not really have a choice.

How is me suggesting rehab as a possibility, interpreted as a strawman by you?

 

[rvZA]

I see the previous posts have been deleted.

The main point I am presenting is that the guy, ideally should have been treated psychologically.

I have already made my stance clear on the fact that he was responsible for his own death, the cops did not really have a choice.

How is me suggesting rehab as a possibility, interpreted as a strawman by you?

Here I agree with you. It is clear he had a problem. He needed treatment.

Where I differ, it should not be the responsibility of the police or government.

This is where is parents, siblings, friends, wife and children failed him miserably. They were the ones who should have ensured this happened before his death.

 

[The_MAC]

Here I agree with you. It is clear he had a problem. He needed treatment.

Where I differ, it should not be the responsibility of the police or government.

This is where is parents, siblings, friends, wife and children failed him miserably. They were the ones who should have ensured this happened before his death.

The guy would first have to be evaluated before anyone can make that call.

 

[rvZA]

The guy would first have to be evaluated before anyone can make that call.

Surely someone would have first needed to get him to get evaluated. Since we do not have government agents, anywhere in the world, who spend time with us each and every day and monitor our behaviour, I would almost think it would be the responsibility of those friends and family spending time with him each day to ensure he gets the help he needs.

So, the blame lies squarely at the feet of the parents, siblings, friends, wife and children. Their inactions eventually lead him to his death.