KZN rugby player shot dead by cops in Hawaii

[Brawler]

Justified shooting.
Something was not right in his head though... drugs or otherwise. Shame.

 

[ponder]

About that, how does it work? Is he immune to electricity or how does a taser not work on a person?

A person on pcp for example you're wasting your time with a taser. You can tase & pepper spray them till the cows come home with zero effect.

 

[Kieppie]

Someone on drugs can be less effected by electric shock than normal people. Also some clothing can get in the way and it also depends on where the metal probes land and if they actually stay on the body etc.

But some people are just not effected by tasers as much as other people. Tasers fail many times.

Yeah definitely not as effective as many believe.
Added to that Tasers can also be lethal. Most commonly due to the uncontrolled spasms and falling, but Tasers also have potentially lethal effects on the heart — extended shocks have led to issues with the heart's rhythm

Still better than a gun mind you.

 

[Johnatan56]

Yeah definitely not as effective as many believe.
Added to that Tasers can also be lethal. Most commonly due to the uncontrolled spasms and falling, but Tasers also have potentially lethal effects on the heart — extended shocks have led to issues with the heart's rhythm

Still better than a gun mind you.

Tasers are less likely to lead to death/injury than pretty much anything else, less than 600 deaths due to it in the US since 2001, so should probably be happy if they use them instead of trying to e.g. hit you with batons.

 

[Vrotappel]

You know what would happen if that happen here? We’d call the police untrained and demand the ministers head.

No we won't. Some people's chips are cutting of their air supply hense the rubbish coming from their mouths. Farken hell.

 

[Vrotappel]

You just have to watch this. https://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-suing-city-san-jose-police-force-hotel/story?id=72396118

To realize cops in the USA are out of control.

And if thats what they are doing in front of cameras.... what are they doing when the camera is not rolling?

We are now busy discussing this specific incident. Farken hell.

 

[Vrotappel]

Before I answer that, did you watch the video? (so you have an idea of what I am talking about)

Farken hell your chip has given you brain damage.

 

[Vrotappel]

"Home owner"


I don't think anyone is advocating hugs. But you could easily have two cops covering the situation and one cop initiating some kind of conversation from a safe distance

They were still approaching him and he started running and attacking. There was zero space or time for nice conversations.

Prior to the cops arriving he was already involved in an illegal activity and if he had any little bit of sense he knew the cops were coming. Stop looking for excuses. in this case the cops could not have done anything different.

 

[Milano]

Besides Tasers even firearms are not always as effective as they should be. He was shot once but that never stopped him.

We have seen videos before on this forum in which multiple gunshots have failed to stop a suspect.

I'll try link to one.

Edit: 7 shots fired, suspect is still a threat

 

[Vrotappel]

Justified shooting.

Wife needs to watch the bodycam, her BIG husband can take on 3 men definitely.

Unfortunately for him he was not bullet proof. Idiot.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Holy crap the number of mental gymnastics going on here to create a narrative is astounding.

He couldn't see the uniforms because of the dark ...
Same person: he saw the gun he charged ...

New cop policies required when dude charges (as per certain MyBB'ers):
Ask him what he's doing there.
Ask is he's under the influence of a mind altering substance.
Ask if he has had a traumatic background.
Ask him if he objects to being tasered
Ask him if he's immune to taser
Ask him if he realizes cops have guns
...
/Add: Request other people to clear the area (thanks @Archer )
/Add: Shoot the guy running in the dark in the leg (thanks @daveza )

It's simple really. When he took off his shoes in strange people's house, they should have licked his feet and not called the cops.

Gymnastics is an understatement, this is mental pretzeling.

 

[Vrotappel]

I think a lot of you guys are still not understanding me.
At the end of the day I think the cops had no choice but to shoot (at least once). Very high chance of shooting to kill also being justified given how Myeni reacted. But there is the clue to my opinion, he reacted.

It doesn't seem like he was being violent when the cops arrived. No civilians were in immediate danger either. He reacted to a gun pointed in his face. Let's be clear here, from what we can see a non violent situation was followed up by making a lethal threat and shouting orders. That is an escalation. Again I'm not saying the reaction by Myeni is correct or justified in any manner whatsoever, but a better trained policeman would have at least attempted de-escalation and/or not have put himself directly in harm's way. This doesn't mean they need to have a cup of tea or sing Kumbaya with suspects, it doesn't mean they can't shoot, but there should be more steps involved before it gets there. Being able to adjust this or anonother scenario in order to safely allow those steps to happen though takes more training than the average US cops gets.

You guys can mull that around I've had my say

That woman sounded scared as hell. You need to tell us what the cops should have done when they arrived. Set up a perimeter? Call for backup? Used a megaphone?

 

[Dan C]

Guess he won't be able to put his shoes back on now.

 

[Vrotappel]

Why did the first officer switch off his camera?

Why did they not identify themselves as police, specially running towards him, waiting at his car, with guns out?

If they knew he was having odd behaviour and they could not handle him, why did they not call for backup?

Why if he had no gun they did not step back and ask him to calm down?

Why did they have to shoot him instead and running towards him clearly not have the strength or ability to arrest him?

What did he do that made the woman so upset?

What did he do for them to approach him so aggressively?

You have 3 men running towards you in the dark with guns blazing and shouting get down. In his head, under influence or not, He was fighting for his live.


Need more info to make sense of it all.

I think you must go watch the video again.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

3 police, 2 with head/face injuries, 1 in hospital

With some drugs, PCP aka angel dust even six policemen would have come off second best. There was definitely something wrong with him as he unquestionably ATTACKED THEM. Priceless tho that his lawyer says "he's from south africa, theres a lot of crime" as tho this totally explains his behaviour! In south africa if three people with guns charge you in the dark, and you are unarmed, you don't attack them, you run like hell.

 

[Kieppie]

That woman sounded scared as hell. You need to tell us what the cops should have done when they arrived. Set up a perimeter? Call for backup? Used a megaphone?

Well in hindsight blowing a whistle might have worked? Possibly a yellow card?

 

[Tokolotshe]

That woman sounded scared as hell. You need to tell us what the cops should have done when they arrived. Set up a perimeter? Call for backup? Used a megaphone?

Nooit my man, each cop should have his personal Bradley with Kleenex on a roll in 10 different fragrances (to not potentially give offense) for all the sob stories, a social worker, a team of mybb ekspurts that have never been in such a situation or seen an attack. Of course it has to be solar powered. Throw in a crypto mining system with a sattelite connection in the back as well.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

will the ENTIRE eff Please go to hawaii and stage a violent "burn the place down" protest. That would solve a few problems this side of the pond.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Well in hindsight blowing a whistle might have worked? Possibly a yellow card?

You're going straight to hell for that one!

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

He immediately attacked, how do you de-escalate?

De-escalate? you mean like the SAP who stand around and observe the crime being committed such as violent group assault, crashed truck looting, violent looting of premises during protests etc. is that what you mean? I believe it is only in SA where it is acceptable for police to just "observe" crime. Everywhere else they are expected to stop it.