Lekota 'a threat to AA'

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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2443080,00.html

The Black Lawyers Association says Cope president Mosiuoa Lekota's statement on affirmative action is "short-sighted" and was made "to attract white votes".

Another racist threat from another "Blacks only" group.

I understand Lekota's rationale, that being that AA should empower currently disadvantaged individuals regardless. It is intended to create jobs and alleviate poverty. In case the BLA hadn't noticed, most Black people are not previously disadvantaged but rather currently disadvantaged by the ANC government. And many previously disadvantaged (especially amongst the rank and file of the BLA) are currently over-advantaged and they wouldn't like to lose that power and are grasping at it with every ounce of strength they have left.

If indeed we are to create a rainbow nation surely we need to look beyond race and gender to those that are in dire straits regardless of whether they may or may not have been under a different government some two decades ago.

 

[krycor]

yup, i think it would be better to spread it rather than the current scenario of cause this goes against the traditional power structures most, in power, like.

 

[Syndyre]

Obviously they're going to be opposed if it goes against their narrow self interests. Still a good move, though I doubt it'll ever happen.

 

[Slaine73]

If they keep to their word, good for them. I would like to see it happen first.

 

[dlk001]

Still a good move, though I doubt it'll ever happen.

I also doubt it would happen. COPE/ANC are committed to the policy of affirmative action. The parties might differ on implementation of affirmative action.

 

[stoke]

Ban the word race from the constitution.

 

[Arthur]

Perhaps there's a subtle but important philosophical difference betwen COPE and current AA policy?

Current (ANC) AA policy defines beneficiaries of AA in racial and gender terms, ie as a product of past systems of injustice (apartheid and patriarchy). ANC = Development State with racial AA.

Is COPE's redefinition proposing that gender and race definitions be dropped and that 'disadvantage' refer simply to lack of development using eg income/asset definitions? COPE = Development State.

Who knows at this stage as there's no COPE policy document.

 

[semiautomatix]

Perhaps there's a subtle but important philosophical difference betwen COPE and current AA policy?

Current (ANC) AA policy defines beneficiaries of AA in racial and gender terms, ie as a product of past systems of injustice (apartheid and patriarchy). ANC = Development State with racial AA.

Is COPE's redefinition proposing that gender and race definitions be dropped and that 'disadvantage' refer simply to lack of development using eg income/asset definitions? COPE = Development State.

Who knows at this stage as there's no COPE policy document.

As far as I'm concerned race should have nothing to do with it, that's what we're trying to base this society upon :/

Poor whites suffer no less than poor blacks.

 

[<moLe>]

this is the funny thing the ANC in their policies state "equal opportunity for all"...if the ANC where the Nazi regime then white people would be the Jews

 

[brixton tower]

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2443080,00.html



Another racist threat from another "Blacks only" group.

I understand Lekota's rationale, that being that AA should empower currently disadvantaged individuals regardless. It is intended to create jobs and alleviate poverty. In case the BLA hadn't noticed, most Black people are not previously disadvantaged but rather currently disadvantaged by the ANC government. And many previously disadvantaged (especially amongst the rank and file of the BLA) are currently over-advantaged and they wouldn't like to lose that power and are grasping at it with every ounce of strength they have left.

If indeed we are to create a rainbow nation surely we need to look beyond race and gender to those that are in dire straits regardless of whether they may or may not have been under a different government some two decades ago.

Even if race was taken out of the AA/EE prescriptions, the people benefitting the most will still be black so I don't know what the BLA are bitching about. But I await COPE to come up with a coherent policy document that makes clear definitions on who should be empowered.

What irks me about the current regime, and I'm black BTW, is that a black youngster whose lived his whole life in a previously white suburb, attended the best schools and basically lived off the fat off the land is considered for affirmative action. He should not be held to the same standards, as someone whose attended township schools.

 

[semiautomatix]

Even if race was taken out of the AA/EE prescriptions, the people benefitting the most will still be black so I don't know what the BLA are bitching about. But I await COPE to come up with a coherent policy document that makes clear definitions on who should be empowered.

What irks me about the current regime, and I'm black BTW, is that a black youngster whose lived his whole life in a previously white suburb, attended the best schools and basically lived off the fat off the land is considered for affirmative action. He should not be held to the same standards, as someone whose attended township schools.

I think this sums it up correctly. Previously disadvantaged should no longer be applicable, currently disadvantaged is where the focus should be.

 

[Kosmik]

Even if race was taken out of the AA/EE prescriptions, the people benefitting the most will still be black so I don't know what the BLA are bitching about. But I await COPE to come up with a coherent policy document that makes clear definitions on who should be empowered.

What irks me about the current regime, and I'm black BTW, is that a black youngster whose lived his whole life in a previously white suburb, attended the best schools and basically lived off the fat off the land is considered for affirmative action. He should not be held to the same standards, as someone whose attended township schools.

Nicely said.

 

[krycor]

this is the funny thing the ANC in their policies state "equal opportunity for all"...if the ANC where the Nazi regime then white people would be the Jews

overly done, if a zim situation happened then it would be a justifiable statement but even then it wouldn't be a good one to use.. anyways, were not where in your sentence

 

[Moederloos]

... I don't know what the BLA are bitching about. ...

they are moaning because *they* would no longer qualify - and then, god-forbid, they may actually have to do some work.

 

[adelp]

Even if race was taken out of the AA/EE prescriptions, the people benefitting the most will still be black so I don't know what the BLA are bitching about. But I await COPE to come up with a coherent policy document that makes clear definitions on who should be empowered.

What irks me about the current regime, and I'm black BTW, is that a black youngster whose lived his whole life in a previously white suburb, attended the best schools and basically lived off the fat off the land is considered for affirmative action. He should not be held to the same standards, as someone whose attended township schools.

+100.

Our favourite bulls player Brian Habbana.

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

You all know of course that Mr & Mrs Sexwale's offspring are "previously disadvantaged"

 

[brixton tower]

+100.

Our favourite bulls player Brian Habbana.

In fact most of the rugby players with the exception of Jongikahaya Nokwe- I should know I interviewed him a couple of years ago inside his uncle's RDP house in Khayelitsha.

Affirmative action is a tricky subject and I don't think rules should be cast in stone...lets start from the point that we want to uplift those that are currently disadvantaged, from black kid in Nyanga to the white kid in Ruyterwacht. Most black people wouldn't have a problem with this.

But before you even talk about affirming people, jobs would have to be created and unfortunately we don't have enough of them which leaves us with the current scenario where guys like the Brian Habana are competing for the same oppertunities as some toothless guy from Mitchell's Plain.

 

[Moederloos]

Taking an AA position should be a "once off".

You get to take such a job ONCE ONLY. Currently people are hopping from one to the next like kangaroos. How on earth can someone earning R300K+ a year be "disadvantaged"?

 

[semiautomatix]

You all know of course that Mr & Mrs Sexwale's offspring are "previously disadvantaged"

Well not as much as others since they'd be classified as a Coloured

 

[2CentsWorth]

ROFL. Surely it should be illegal for an organisation to exist that only caters for/panders to a single race?