lets keep on kicking screaming and shouting

Inevitable

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Ive been on this forum for long now and i really think things are begining to get out of control. I mean phoning that Smith guy on his own cell phone all the time by some people is a little lame! Phoning him on his cell isnt going to help any1 because he is just going to get angry with you and then you will really not get any help.
Also screaming at the support guys is no help either. Would you like to be scrteamed at 24/7 at your job. Beleive me its not pleasant having to wake up in the morning , go to work and get screamed at by strangers everyday. And that is what most of you are doing!!!
Lets all be more calm. Argue constructively! and also have a little patience. The service only started properly the begining of THIS year! It takes time to perfect a service. Perfection doesnt happen over night.

And then again for those who are really unhappy get your service cancelled. Some people have had success at doing that so why dont you do it to instead of moaning all day long that you cant download the newest DVD or Game at the fastest speed possible.

Ive had my ups and downs with Sentech but in all im happy to have a 24hr connection and very happy not to be paying telkom.
Soon Sentech might dissappear due to them being sick of the moaning kicking and screaming, and then the maority will have to return to telkoms stupid pricing and the expensive decent ISP's in this country.
Im sorry i would still choose Sentech!



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so you're willing to just bend over and take the shafting that Sentech is giving you?

interesting...

Unfortunately, being nice doesn't work - I've tried that. I've tried being all fuzzy and snuggly with the Call Centre guys, and I KNOW that they get a lot of nonsense from everyone, but there's a VERY easy solution to all of this - either FIX the problem, or TELL us what's wrong!

I can PROMISE you that if Sentech released a statement today, telling us what/where/when/how this problem is going to be fixed and why it happened in the first place - everyone on this forum would be happy to wait for the resolution. But what they're doing now - acting oblivious to their CUSTOMERS' problems - is NOT on, and I for one will put up the biggest scene I can as long as I'm treated like this!

I'm tired of being just another SA Consumer that is being trampled on by some big corporate, goverment-controlled, we-don't-give-a-****-about-you company - enough is enough!

as a little sidenote: how long do you think it'll take Sentech to take you to the cleaners if you withheld payment for ONE month!? A day? Two? That's how this "agreement" works: we pay, they give us a broadband connection. Easy as that!

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Inevitable. When a service provider ducks and dives for <b>75 days</b> and does NOTHING to address one's concerns, what should a consumer do?

Just sit back and relax like you and be contented with a contended service that doesn't work as advertised because we don't want to give money to Telkom? You must be mad mate. It's consumer's like you that make South African companies get away with murder.

We <b>DID</b> start off constructively. We logged tickets, we begged we pleaded. Right now though, it's literally 75 days since this thing has started, and there is no end in sight, and no communication from Sentech, and no "bulletin board" as they've promised, and no rebates.

Get real mate. I don't care if the service started 2 days ago. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Yet we're still paying? Good lord... Take a reality check.

Sentech <b>have</b> released a statement about the issue, <b>a month ago</b>. And even if they released another, I won't be happy... Why should I be? I want the service I paid for, and a rebate for the period during which the service wasn't what I paid for. It's as simple as that!

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Inevitable

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oh and by the way im not taking any shafting by Sentech. why?
Because yes there are cutomers who are getting what they are paying for. and im one of them.
currently downloading at 13kb/s 128k package

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Like I said in a post on another thread - I don't WANT to cancel, because I know what this connection can do. I know what it's capable of because I've seen it work - they just need to fix their c0ck-up!

I've spent too much time and money on this connection to just PAY them (that's a whole other thread - you have to pay them cancel your contract?!?! wtf?!) to cancel my contract... I want my 256k connection to be a connection worth paying R850 for!

Anyway, cancelling would be giving up - i.e they win - and I don't like loosing.

I'm really happy for you! I'm glad you have a good connection. So why don't you toddle off to that good connection of your's and leave us to brood in our misery? It's our right to complain, b1tch, scream, moan and throw tantrums as much as we want UNTIL they fix this mess they made!

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sorry Inevatable. It's not personal dude, I, like MANY (2% my left foot!) other people here, just a bit peeved with them at the mo' - it's difficult to understand the frustration we're having, unless it's your money being stolen...

That's what they're doing basically: Stealing. Just taking our money and giving nothing in return.

Isn't that against the law?

*grunt* *groan*

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Hey Inevitable.. I also am a pretty happy customer (within limits) most of the time (like you) except days like today where the bandwidth is capped to 4KB/sec. Most days (like 70%+) I get similar speeds to you (13KB/sec at noon if lucky..!). I would be accepting of the service i.t.o speed if it was consistent and usable every day. Sure, I dont like the fact that in April/May the max speed was the FULL 128kbps/16KBps and now its 112kbps/14KBps but that I can accept.

Why must we have days where you get 4KB/sec speeds? Wheres the other 10KB/sec gone? Its not like (and I told them this) I can pick and choose days where I will pay them R11 or R5 and then R22...

We all stay here (well most of us) since we actually use the 24/7 connection full time. I personally will not use a Telkom product and Sentech's service to me is nohwere near as much as the Telkom hassles I have had. I have had days where it works fabulously and you can download (1GB+ a day etc) and browse all at once for a few PCs on the LAN.. those days Im very happy to hand over my money. All I want is something similar to that at least half the days in a month or a portion of the day everyday. I (and we) just want reasonable service. Everyone (given enough time) will eventually experience very slow days (when you need it most) - maybe then you will understand.

As a sidenote, I personally dont think 1 or many users downloading 1GB has any effect on the service. That should never ever cut down my email download speed to sub 5KB/sec. Speed on the internal sentech network should be 128Kbps ALWAYS. It just is not this way. Somehow I dont think its a lack of bandwidth problem in my case (today) since accessing anything anywhere is the same miserable 4KB/sec. There is some unknown problem somewhere - thats for sure. Anyways I have applied for my 3rd open ticket..
 

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greedyflyza, according to Marcel Raath, you are a "power user" and "not using the service for what it was intended"...

<b>Of course</b> people downloading 1G a day has an effect on the service... Where do you think bandwidth comes from? I’ve seen Marcel Raath's stats list, and it's WAAAAY more than a few users downloading gigs per day. Anyhow, good luck in chalking up another 3 tickets. 1000 or 3 doesn't make a difference. If by the third time the donkey still bumps his head, it should be shot... Why bother ticketing the same problem THREE times? Do you really believe this makes you more important to Sentech than the <b>first</b> two times?

Or are you as into masochism (http://rodent.za.net/SadoMasochism, as apparently I am) or are you just so relaxed that you couldn't give a crap when somebody's doing you in? Inevitable and Greedy must have both felt that Telkom did them in, whilst according to Telkom 88% of their users are happy, hence their strong “I won’t pay Telkom a cent” sentiment?

Thus, the question for both Inevitable, and Greedy: Why the anti-Telkom sentiment? Purely because you've been brainwashed into thinking it's the crappiest, most overpriced service in this country? Isn't that then <b>exactly</b> what you're claiming we disgruntled Sentech users are guilty of, and ranting in this thread?

I can, for example <b>vouch</b> for my ADSL connection. It's been down less than 30 hours in the year-3-months that I've had it, and I've never been annoyed with the service.

In 5 months of having Sentech's MyWireless I've been annoyed with it 80% of the time. If you think about it, ADSL with 3 accounts is actually cheaper than the Sentech’s ‘supposed’ 512K offering, aside from the fact that there's a transfer cap (of 9Gigs if you buy 3 accounts, which totals R1520 per month. You’ll save another few hundred rands in lost time, disconnections, and logging tickets with the non-helpdesk, which effectively brings ADSL, and 3 x 3Gig accounts to WAAAY under Sucktech’s 512K offering. If we get right down to it, Sentech’s pricing isn’t <b>any better than</b> Telkom’s and they’re delivering a service that’s a lot worse. So why are you complaining so much about Telkom, and defending Sentech so vigorously?

Whilst I agree that Telkom’s monopoly is bad, and their practices aren’t conducive to communications in South Africa, <b>I</b> have to say that I’ve never had crappy service from Telkom, and that in general their service experience has been better than the one I’ve had from Sentech. But that’s just my opinion, which I generally keep to myself on these forums, since I realize that it’s not everyone’s experience. I don’t go around here posting how the people complaining are “all out of control”, should be “patient” and that “Perfection doesnt happen over night”.

So, should I respond to the anti-Telkom pro-Sentech people in this thread with their own medicine? Or should I leave it? This is the first rant I've made against "PRO-Sentech" people. I think I should rant a bit… Why is it that the pro-Sentech'ers consistently have to make posts about their "great" service, in lieu of people that have valid complaints? Do you think we're all just faking it here, and <b>bitching</b> for the sake of bitching? Do you feel better than us, for not having crappy service, or do you feel more enlightened than us for being more patient with a “poor-little-newcomer-isp-that-can’t-deliver-and-should-be-given-a-chance”? I don’t advertise my favoritism of ADSL all over these forums, since I really do think the service deserves some criticism, and betterment.

<b>Inevitable:</b> You have NO idea of the frustration of having crappy service and not getting any joy from Sentech. Until you've had that experience, I suggest to that you rather go download some music, or DVD's or whatever it is that you do on your "awesome" connection whilst we attempt to get the service we’re paying for. When, finally Sentech does manage to disappoint you too, we will welcome you with open arms, rather than say “we told you so”.

Accept the fact that on <b>this</b> forum, (http://www.myadsl.co.za/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3823) the HAPPY customers so far tally up to the sum total of 5.5 -- and that quite frankly, the rest of us don't give a rats ass about your great fscking service and your ill-founded opinions.

Whilst I agree that there is place for optimism (I want Sentech’s service to succeed as much as anyone else, and I’ve always said so), I think that it’s time for the “happy users” to consider the fact that they are an extremely select few (as possibly I am one of the select few happy Telkom customers) Whilst I believe that open discussion on a forum such as this, is a good thing, I also believe that Inevitable’s idiotic comment warrants him a removal from the bandwidth pool. Greedy, I have a lot of respect for you, and can understand that you are generally happy with the service, as compared to not having a service at all, or (gasp) having to use Telkom. A long time ago I said I’d be happy with a permanent 28.8k analogue connection. I’m not criticizing your view, which is generally well placed, and well-stated.. This is inevitably aimed at Inevitable, not you.

Objectively Sentech’s support, quality of service, and advertising tactics sucks, and it has enslaved people into a 12-24 month contracts. Objectively, they’re not delivering. Subjectively I might favor Telkom, and subjectively you guys might hate Telkom. That is not the issue at hand. At least with Telkom, you can cancel their service within a month and call it quits. I tried that with Sentech during June, and got a polite ‘no’.

A lot of us aren’t happy with Sentech. And <b>VALIDLY</b> so. If I wanted to hear how invalid my claims are, I’d rather just pick up the phone and phone the helpdesk, or Marcel Raath.

I know what this service can do, and the quality it CAN produce. I experienced that during the first 2 months of my subscription. But right now, it sucks, for a LOT of users out there.



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Look, I wont say I am a <i>happy</i> user but I am not quite ready to cancel or blast Sentech. I would say I am in the middle. I wont take the first step no but will contribute to the efforts to get a better service.

What I meant by the 1GB comment is that when there is a technical condition hampering your speed (as I think there was today) such as in the situation where you cant get your email at full speed then its not right to "blame" the 1GB/day power users. While that is a problem yes, I do believe their are other technical problems that are causing hassles. Its inconceivable IMO to think any users experience slow speed 100% of the time unless there is some major technical problem.

In my particular solution, as a student (and with my Telkom stance) this connection is rather expensive given my *limited* income. So the argument does not hold (for me) that ADSL is cheaper. I for one am fully against the 3GB cap and am not willing to fork out that much money right now. I am perfectly happy with a 24-7 128kbps connection right now. This may change later but it suits my needs rather well now. Now in addition to that, I have a lot of gripes and complaints but I understand that there is very little I can do about thanks to the way things work in our country and how policies are implemented. I will not use Telkom since we have had a lot of hassles with them during my dialup days and with ISDN (to be fair, Telkom business ISDN and ADSL do provide good service). I was overcharged and lied to a number of times. I am totally against their communications policy and their profiteering as well as how they are strangling our country. Unfortunately, that forces me to side with the opposition and also sadly, it takes mjor screwup for the opposition to get close to the levels of Telkom - but Sentech is approaching that now.

I had major service problems from Telkom ("we cannot improve your line and thats just too bad.. here, get ADSL") and in honesty, Sentech's customer relations (while they try a little) are not great either. Its still an anti-competitive environment. I havent been brainwashed at all and have used Telkom and suffered for enough years to make up my mind. Put it this way, Telkom CANNOT give me what I am getting out of my Sentech connection at even close to the same price. Thats the bottom line for me.

Let me say this, I am not pro-Sentech, BUT while my 24 month contract is running, I wouldnt like to see things degrade to a point where no new subscribers sign up and the service stays as is and Im stuck paying for a crappy service. Its a fine line, I know.

I disapprove of the whole contracting mentality that has now migrated into internet services thanks largely due to the cellphone industry. Also, Sentech advertsied the service as uncapped unshaped which means "download what you want" to the user. I actually (please don't slam me) feel a little (only a little) sorry for Sentech since they have to buy bandwidth from Telkom at ridiculous unjustified rates in order to provide their advertised service. I believe its a difficult situation for Sentech BUT they created it so they MUST handle it. Its not our problem to worry about and if we want to download 1GB a day (on any package) we should be able to.

I opened another ticket since that actually seems to make the problem go away (by murphys law). I honestly never believed in the power of these stupid tickets. Its a smoke screen. On that note, I got two replies for the same email and both were copy-and-paste efforts. It seems like you have to abuse them in the first email so that they actually log a ticket. I generally only go the ticket route as a last resort when experiencing slow speed for many hours (and after making sure its not only local or international etc) and also because Im not calling the helpdesk and spending more money to get nowhere.

Lastly, I think EVERYONE's claims of slow speeds and problems are 100% valid and in the same light, while if I have no problems (unlikely) I will support anyone that does. There is no point in saying "Hah, I dont know what you are saying.. I download 2GB a day and have no problems" since everyone here knows that its a lie and that your turn will come.

TheRoDent, if you actually are getting sub 8KB/sec speeds every day all the time then I cant believe you have the patience to not burn the Sentech HQ down. But I understand. Its the contract so what can you do? Im a pretty relaxed person myself so I can understand in a way how you can put up with it (OT: did you get my email a few days back?)

Sorry for the lengthy response.. just gotta make some things clear.
 

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my only 2 points that i really emphasised were:

phoning Smith on his cellphone is not going to help,which im shure you will agree wont help due to the fact that if you were phoned on your cell all the time by strangers you wouldnt want to help them ?? especially when little kiddies surf this forum and then leave snotty messages on voicemail.
and screaming and i mean screaming at support guys.thats unacceptable.Been screamed at over the phone also wont help.
Now im not pointing fingers at anyone in particular for doing that,but it IS happening.

I do understand that lots and lots and lots of users are unhappy,but doing the above wont help at all.Im not even saying do nothing,Do what you like.But i just disagree with doing the above,thats all.
And Rodent i think you being a bit harsh.I wasnt advertising my "awesome" connection.I was simply stating my own opinion.Thats allowed isnt it?
Also happy customers can make comments as well, just like unhappy customers can make comments.
The forum isnt called Sentech Haters only forum.Its called My Wireless General.


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Inevitable, do you think, that Sentech, threatening me with legal action about my domains helped the situation at all? All I asked from day one, during my first conversation with Michelle Potgieter, was for them to FIX the service, since I know what it is capable of, having experienced it. Do you think what they're doing is reasonable? Do you think Winston Smith accusing my actions of being "tantamount to blackmail" in public is reasonable?

The reality is that we've <b>exhausted</b> all reasonable mechanisms of improving the service.

Do you think the helpdesk's <b>blatant</b> lies, would <b>not</b> make someone feel like screaming and shouting? Yes, whilst I agree that behaviour such as that isn't condonable, you have to understand that we are talking about the <b>pent-up</b> frustration of 75 days here. Personally, I have never screamed at a helpdesk person, since I understand that they're just doing their menial duties. But you have to realise that this is the ONLY coal-face that Sentech has. All their other avenues of communications is tantamount to /dev/null

Yes, my connection is <b>consistently</b> slow, except if I use it on the Rosebank tower at work. I used to see speeds of 12-14K/s against Brixton tower, and I have seen that again <b>once</b> since the beginning of May, which was the Saturday everyone got disconnected for a few hours.

Yes, Inevitable, you are allowed your opinion. But you are also allowed the riposte of your opinion. Posturing around here and stating that we should cancel our contracts, instead of moaning will get you a bruised face. We want the service to work as much as anyone else.

Sentech, is unfortunately the bad guy in this tale, and deserves some serious criticism for the way in which they've handled the issue and their customers. If we let them get away with it now, they'll continue to do it to us.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Inevitable</i>
<br />my only 2 points that i really emphasised were:

and screaming and i mean screaming at support guys.thats unacceptable.Been screamed at over the phone also wont help.
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Screaming at Orcs doesn't help. I've been in a position like Marcel's where I've politely asked the person to calm down, be rational and explain to me the problem. In exceptional circumstances, when they've continued to abuse me, I've had to say "I'm sorry, I cannot talk to you further" and put the phone down.

In one very, very expectional instance, I was lucky. Client abused me and abused me, while I was trying to talk to her rationally. At a point I lost it and said, "Listen, you bitch", but at that moment she had put the phone down on me. Job saved and ten years later she was bankrupt. Good.
 

Inevitable

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lol ehehehehe "listen you bitch"
hahahahahaha
that is just sooo funny!!!!!!

Rodent ok ok fine do as you please.i think you too angry to chat with for now."will get you a bruised face." No need for that now. No need at all.

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Inevitable, I meant "virtual bruised face" [:)]. I'm not a violent person, in general. I just felt like I should give you a good rundown as to why a lot of us are so gatvol. You cannot understand the situation completely until you've been in it, and your initial post really was tactless. I agree that we should be calm. I don't see many people here that aren't calm... Yes, we're angry. So what?

Most of us have actually quietened down and stopped complaining here, simply because we're so tired of it. Statements like yours just serve to incite the inner hatred we have towards Sentech for having treated us they way the do.

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Inevitable.......if you want to know how people are feeling!!!!!

Do me a favour and deposit 70% of the 128 connection costs, that SENTECH charges, for 75 days of lack of service, into Rodents bank account ASAP

Dont ask why, what are you getting for it etc........WE DONT CARE!!!!!

Just do it .........or we will SUE you.......for NON PAYMENT.....get you BLACKLISTED etc

If you, like rest of us work our butts of to PAY for this service.....damn then i want it!!!!

His comment "will get you a bruised face." is only due to the IDIOTIC management of this problem by SENTECH.......

If you think he is too angry!!!!!! well let me disconnect you lights and water for 75 days and see how you will feel....internet connectivity for some of us IS AS IMPORTANT

If you want to go and "HUG" an ORC.....do it with pleasure..... Just dont judge others when you are GETTING WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR

LMAO....wait till your service degrades....trust me it will be soon.....had 12K for the last 4 days and now back in the wonderful world of 2K
 

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Peace Rodent!
Inevitable shakes hands with Rodent (assuming he shakes hands back)

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