LHC Claims new particle discovery

[DJ...]

It's considered a valid question. It's one of wanting to understand. Your response to it however conveys that you don't understand and you don't care to understand either. You just want to continue to believe whatever it is you were indoctrinated with even if it's wrong. That's the only explanation for attacking someone that brings up valid questions. Yet you'll be one of the first to proclaim "critical thinking." Well done for illustrating the idiot's guide to critical thinking.

Your question implies that there is a single Higgs Boson for each particle. Particles attain their mass by interacting with the Higgs field. The field! This is the fundamental principle of the issue. The fact of the matter here is that your question is based on a complete misunderstanding of this fundamental principle, and you naively came to conclusions based on this. This sort of cognitive arrogance on your part exemplifies why you misunderstand so much of what goes on around us, and then proclaim to "know the truth" about subjects that I'm quite sure you probably couldn't even pronounce, let alone have an intelligent conversation about.

More than just that, when these fundamental principles are explained to you, you reject them in favour of your delusional conclusions...

 

[Geriatrix]

Apology accepted.

Amazing discovery!

 

[Swa]

What you said was similar to saying fish are not alive because they die if I take em out of the water, hence the mockery.

No, it's completely different. Actually your analogy just confuses things more. The fish (particles) are alive (mass) because the water (higgs) keeps them alive. Remove the water and they die (become massless).

I don't appreciate being mocked in an attempt to try and understand something. But hey that actually conveys a lot about the people that mock.

Your question implies that there is a single Higgs Boson for each particle. Particles attain their mass by interacting with the Higgs field. The field! This is the fundamental principle of the issue. The fact of the matter here is that your question is based on a complete misunderstanding of this fundamental principle, and you naively came to conclusions based on this. This sort of cognitive arrogance on your part exemplifies why you misunderstand so much of what goes on around us, and then proclaim to "know the truth" about subjects that I'm quite sure you probably couldn't even pronounce, let alone have an intelligent conversation about.

More than just that, when these fundamental principles are explained to you, you reject them in favour of your delusional conclusions...

I don't know where you grabbed that from except your arse. Nowhere did I say anything that can be construed as even implying a 1:1 ratio of Higgs and particles. I know about the field bud! What is unclear is how the field can exist if Higgs particles decay. You get that? They are no longer there so using the fish analogy mass should disappear. I'll see if I can gather something from the videos Geriatrix provided.

You are the one jumping to conclusions because of someone questioning your preconceived notions of reality. THAT is cognitive arrogance.

 

[DJ...]

The decay in your argument is what implies a direct ratio between the two. FFS, this isn't a higher grade concept to grasp. There is simply no way to dumb that down any further. You believe that we still haven't identified what gives particles their mass because the Higgs decays. That would imply a single Higgs for each particle. The Higgs is a boson. It is a force carrier. It decays. But in the process, creates what is called the Higgs field. The interaction of this field with particles creates their mass.

I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from...

 

[Elimentals]

No, it's completely different. Actually your analogy just confuses things more. The fish (particles) are alive (mass) because the water (higgs) keeps them alive. Remove the water and they die (become massless).

Did you just try and draw particle physics explanations out of my fish analogy on how stupid the statement was?

/facepalm

I don't appreciate being mocked in an attempt to try and understand something. But hey that actually conveys a lot about the people that mock.

Well then use question marks instead of making false statements.

 

[Geriatrix]

Found this in Current Affairs of all places

[video=vimeo;41038445]http://vimeo.com/41038445[/video]

 

[Swa]

The decay in your argument is what implies a direct ratio between the two. FFS, this isn't a higher grade concept to grasp. There is simply no way to dumb that down any further. You believe that we still haven't identified what gives particles their mass because the Higgs decays. That would imply a single Higgs for each particle. The Higgs is a boson. It is a force carrier. It decays. But in the process, creates what is called the Higgs field. The interaction of this field with particles creates their mass.

I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from...

So what? Neutrons decay as well. That does not imply a direct ratio of one neutron for every proton. You got caught in a preconceived assumption and are now trying to wiggle your way out of it. Unlike with evolution you can't claim I'm questioning it because of my faith because if the Higgs exists then obviously God created it.

The whole problem here is how can a particle that decayed have an effect on matter if it no longer exists. That's akin to saying a magnetic object lost its electrons but is still magnetically charged. No pal, you have shown your true colors here you uncritically just accept whatever it is you want to accept and criticise and ridicule whoever challenges those views. No need for you to further illustrate your ignorance.

 

[Swa]

Did you just try and draw particle physics explanations out of my fish analogy on how stupid the statement was?

/facepalm

The facepalm worthy statement is actually the one who first used the fish analogy.

Well then use question marks instead of making false statements.

It's both a question and a statement. And how on earth do you know it to be false? More assumptions I guess...

 

[DJ...]

The field is universal. Your mindset is that there is a single Higgs boson (or a few) that create a quick field and then transfer mass. And you are rightfully claiming that this must be bullschit. It is complete bullschit because that is not the way that it works. Watch the video...

 

[Moosedrool]

Quoted from current affairs

If they can find an anti-higgs they can make things lose their mass, hence making FTL travel possible.

Incorrect
FTL travel is impossible. None of the leptons Bosons or Quarks can travel faster than light a photon is the light particle and can only travel at that speed due to time slowing down for that particle relative to a stationary observer.

Oh FTL is only possible if you bend space/time. The theoretical speed limit of the universe is "light speed", and you can only obtain that speed if you have zero mass.

Correct
Only by manipulating space time can this be achieved. The discovery of the Higgs boson might be our first step into achieving this process due to the effect gravity has on Space time. IOW if you can create a strong enough gravitational field you might curve into the 5th dimension (Hyperspace) enough to create some sort of pathway to travel through. Gravity in a black hole is strong enough to cause a phenomena known as an event horizon where the light passing through it can’t escape, but the light would not be slowing down when beaming directly outwards. Space time however is distorted so radically that the beam can’t reach the surface again.

 

[Swa]

The field is universal. Your mindset is that there is a single Higgs boson (or a few) that create a quick field and then transfer mass. And you are rightfully claiming that this must be bullschit. It is complete bullschit because that is not the way that it works. Watch the video...

I'm not claiming bullschit. I'm claiming it doesn't make sense because it doesn't.

Again it's not about a few Higgs bosons that transfer mass. My mindset is correct here. The Higgs bosons supposedly came into existence through whatever mechanism created the other particles. What you can't explain is how the field can remain if all Higgs bosons decayed.

It seems your fundamentalist mindset is at work again. Somebody mentioned something that questioned what you just accept as truth religiously and as usual heads just went exploding. There are other models that explain the phenomenon of mass and in possible better ways even.