Licence renewals can be blocked due to unpaid e-tolls - Report

[pinball wizard]

Does Sanral issue license discs?

No, but the new arsetoe regulations make non-payment of etolls an offence. A R500 fine for each gantry you pass under, and the aarto regs allow for withholding the issue of a license for unpaid fines.

 

[ChuckMeFarley]

Licence plate shops are supposed to ask to see the registration document. However, they will make "signs" with any letters you want

Agreed, I received a SANRAL bill for outstanding toll fee. Image given by SANRAL is clearly a Range Rover (I drive a BMW) with my license plates. I live in Cape Town and have not been to Johannesburg in years.

 

[Toxxyc]

South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) states that new licence discs can be withheld from drivers until their e-toll bill is settled.

No, it can't. You can only withhold a licence disc (or licence) for outstanding traffic infringements. Not paying e-Toll is not an infringement (yet).

 

[system32]

Agreed, I received a SANRAL bill for outstanding toll fee. Image given by SANRAL is clearly a Range Rover (I drive a BMW) with my license plates. I live in Cape Town and have not been to Johannesburg in years.

And to get SANRAL to clear this from your account is impossible - even though they have photographic evidence.
You need to go to police station....

Simpler just to change to a personalised number plate.

 

[ISP cash cow]

They're too busy collecting donations and complaining about things in the press.

Well there is not much they can do until SANRAL decides to test their actual threat in action and it goes to court.

At the moment it is just verbal threats from Sanral to scare motorists

 

[ISP cash cow]

You will eventually do it, what the government wants the government gets.

Lol like that has been shown in the past

 

[ISP cash cow]

No, it can't. You can only withhold a licence disc (or licence) for outstanding traffic infringements. Not paying e-Toll is not an infringement (yet).

And this is also the othe reason why they can also only withhold the disc for infringements that they know for definite you received. So basically for hand given infringements. I have plenty speed fines through camera but they cannot prove I have received them and so cannot withhold nthe disc from me

 

[Unreal]

I’ve got a R75,000 e-toll bill.
This means if I was paying I would have paid R75,000 in e-tolls. R75,000!!! This is for a single vehicle.
I already paid R14,000 for the other vehicle and was slapped with a R20,000 odd invoice after that. That’s when I decided to say enough is enough. It costs too much to be a good citizen

 

[Corelli]

I have a better idea.

Scrap the RAF. They are almost 1 trillion in losses.

Then force every user who owns a car to have insurance. Singapore you have to pay for the right to own a car for a period. Do that (a lot of cars will be removed off the road (a lot of junk ones with smashed windscreens etc). Then when you buy a car you must prove you have insurance at the time of transfer. At time of car license renewals also prove that your car licensed. No need for RAF and that saving can go into the pocket of motorists. Really we have a no fault system where they will pay out even if you caused someone's death.

In mant countries having insurance while buying a car is the only way fwd. Charging a fee for those to own the right to a car also would move more to public transport. Singapore has that. It reduces traffic immediately.

 

[The Voice]

I have a better idea.

Scrap the RAF. They are almost 1 trillion in losses.

Then force every user who owns a car to have insurance. Singapore you have to pay for the right to own a car for a period. Do that (a lot of cars will be removed off the road (a lot of junk ones with smashed windscreens etc). Then when you buy a car you must prove you have insurance at the time of transfer. At time of car license renewals also prove that your car licensed. No need for RAF and that saving can go into the pocket of motorists. Really we have a no fault system where they will pay out even if you caused someone's death.

In mant countries having insurance while buying a car is the only way fwd. Charging a fee for those to own the right to a car also would move more to public transport. Singapore has that. It reduces traffic immediately.

3rd party insurance isn't really what the RAF is there for. It's to cover YOU if you're seriously injured in an accident on South African roads, not your car.

Unless you have it baked into your insurance policy already or have something separate, if you're unable to work again after an accident, you'd be pretty screwed without the RAF.

Biggest payout so far I think was the EU citizen who got something like R145mil from it after he get knocked over.

 

[Gemsbok]

This is not true. Outa said so in a Video posted on social media this morning.

 

[ThinkCentre]

In South Africa, you cannot impose one law with another one! If this goes to court, it will be chucked out faster than what you think!

 

[Corelli]

Most insurance had 3rd party cover. The RAF is recent and lately its just a tax as the fund is bankrupt (R1 trillion in claims with R11 billion in assets). Honestly that and the fuel levy (was to pay for Sanral as all the budget amount was stolen) can be scrapped. Most of the fuel levy is now a general tax.

Ie Pay Vat on an item (we nor make enough with vat). Add a levy tax. So more tax than vat.

Best to charge vat and levy same time = double taxation

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

I have a better idea.

Scrap the RAF. They are almost 1 trillion in losses.

Then force every user who owns a car to have insurance. Singapore you have to pay for the right to own a car for a period. Do that (a lot of cars will be removed off the road (a lot of junk ones with smashed windscreens etc). Then when you buy a car you must prove you have insurance at the time of transfer. At time of car license renewals also prove that your car licensed. No need for RAF and that saving can go into the pocket of motorists. Really we have a no fault system where they will pay out even if you caused someone's death.

In mant countries having insurance while buying a car is the only way fwd. Charging a fee for those to own the right to a car also would move more to public transport. Singapore has that. It reduces traffic immediately.

your forgetting one thing,

TIA where somebody else must ALWAYS pay and people DONT accept responsibility for their own actions.
no matter how long and how much effort has been poured to help them.


you see this anywhere in Africa, policeman will stop you for no good reason other than a bribe, because your white.

Singapore built itself into a powerhouse of Asia, because its leaders decided to be proactive and not lazy.
Africa has a disease of incompetence and Playing the race card.

 

[Foxhound5366]

I’ve got a R75,000 e-toll bill.
This means if I was paying I would have paid R75,000 in e-tolls. R75,000!!! This is for a single vehicle.
I already paid R14,000 for the other vehicle and was slapped with a R20,000 odd invoice after that. That’s when I decided to say enough is enough. It costs too much to be a good citizen

Not true. If you pay eTolls within the defined period, you pay a fraction of the full price. Then there is also compounding penalty fees on overdue balances...

I couldn't say what you'd have paid if you had been paying all along, but it wouldn't be close to R75000.

 

[quovadis]

Not true. If you pay eTolls within the defined period, you pay a fraction of the full price. Then there is also compounding penalty fees on overdue balances...

I couldn't say what you'd have paid if you had been paying all along, but it wouldn't be close to R75000.

The application of tolls and penalties by Sanral imho is flawed as it incentivises early settlement as an inducement to comply (or face exorbitant rates and penalties) rather than it benefiting from a cashflow advantage and passing that saving on.

 

[The Voice]

Think my tab was at around R45000 for a year's worth of daily commuting from Bedfordview to Bryanston. I'm still being billed even though I sold my car to someone in Cape Town when I left SA going on 6 years ago.

 

[Unreal]

Not true. If you pay eTolls within the defined period, you pay a fraction of the full price. Then there is also compounding penalty fees on overdue balances...

I couldn't say what you'd have paid if you had been paying all along, but it wouldn't be close to R75000.

I stopped reading after “Not true”

 

[Foxhound5366]

I stopped reading after “Not true”

Lol. Ok. Donald Trump is awesome. Not true.

 

[Lupus]

I stopped reading after “Not true”

Remember he's a good citizen and pays his etolls.