Life on Mars found in 1976?

carstensdj

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Let's wait until the Ruskies or even better, the Chinks plan to make Mars or the moon habitable then you will very quickly see the USA making sums to be the first to do it like in 1969. let one of them make a noise about colonizing another planet and America will very quickly find the will and the money to be the first.

Too true!

Thats exactly what the USA needs though... A good kick up the ass to get things rolling...

Go see my other thread about the little cyberwar between USA and China right now...
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/422358-China-Vs-America-REAL-quot-pretend-quot-cyber-war
 

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Let's wait until the Ruskies or even better, the Chinks plan to make Mars or the moon habitable then you will very quickly see the USA making sums to be the first to do it like in 1969. let one of them make a noise about colonizing another planet and America will very quickly find the will and the money to be the first.

I dont wanna turn this into a religious debate but I believe the main reason the US don't care is because there is no "drive" to get off this rock. They just happy to sit here and wait for the second coming when in fact we are in one of the most important racing events humanity has ever know, that is the get the f off this rock as quick as possible to increase our survival rate esp with the fact that the universe likes to take pot shots all over the place.

Just one day, it will hit this planet and if dont have at least some people off it, we will die out like a candle flame in some forgotten forest that no one ever visited.

So yes, my money in on China as well.
 

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I dont wanna turn this into a religious debate but I believe the main reason the US don't care is because there is no "drive" to get off this rock. They just happy to sit here and wait for the second coming when in fact we are in one of the most important racing events humanity has ever know, that is the get the f off this rock as quick as possible to increase our survival rate esp with the fact that the universe likes to take pot shots all over the place.

Just one day, it will hit this planet and if dont have at least some people off it, we will die out like a candle flame in some forgotten forest that no one ever visited.

So yes, my money in on China as well.
Very scary thought actually!
 

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Another point why I think China will win is you need little to no regaurd for human life in order to spread.

The early settlers that went out to concur the world where not the rich and the fit, it was the poor and those with almost nothing to lose that went out to discover new land. Cause face it people gonna die in space, thats how we gonna learn how to make better ships.

Simply waiting for better ships to spawn out of thin air is not gonna happen.
 

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The USA would anyway hire cheap labour which would either be a Mexican or the Chinese so the Chinese will decide "to hell with you", we will use our own cheap labour and send their own people up.
 

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Another point why I think China will win is you need little to no regaurd for human life in order to spread.
China first? You've gotta be joking. They're a backward third world country. Their much-fiddled "GDP" is a creation of the regime. With four times the population of the USA, and less than one third the (inflated) GDP, they'll get old before they get rich enough to do this sort of thing.
 

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China first? You've gotta be joking. They're a backward third world country. Their much-fiddled "GDP" is a creation of the regime. With four times the population of the USA, and less than one third the (inflated) GDP, they'll get old before they get rich enough to do this sort of thing.

Exactly why I say they will be 1at, cause its not about money but about having cheap lives that you can waste to spread and conquer.
 

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Relevant:

[video=youtube;rDRXn96HrtY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRXn96HrtY[/video]
 

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Very very interesting! Thanks for the share

Welcome, its funny that it took an out of context meme for me to find this man, now I simply think he is right up there with Segan and friends.

He just has a way to present science in a way that makes it easy for normal people to understand, and spark that interest that makes you want to lean more.

If you ask what meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neil-degrasse-tyson-reaction aka We have a bad ass over here :)
 

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He's been on Discovery's Science shows as a regular interviewee for some time now. Some of his experiments relating to time are really interesting...
 

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Welcome, its funny that it took an out of context meme for me to find this man, now I simply think he is right up there with Segan and friends.

He just has a way to present science in a way that makes it easy for normal people to understand, and spark that interest that makes you want to lean more.

If you ask what meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neil-degrasse-tyson-reaction aka We have a bad ass over here :)

He does make it easy and interesting for 'normal' people to understand! Had that youtube clip above on last night, and my gf somma started watching too and was actually very interested! Busy downloading the full talk now...
 

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that's what I like about him, he talks so that I can understand and want to listen and learn more.
 

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Interesting Tube on the matter of going there

[video=youtube;NiCDQ_91Pks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiCDQ_91Pks[/video]
 

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Mars Volcanic Glass May Be Hotspot for Life

Interesting article i read over the weekend:
http://www.space.com/15484-mars-volcanic-glass-life.html

Glass sand on Mars may point the way to chemically-rich water ideal for hosting life. The newly discovered glass dune fields, spread across almost a third of the planet, likely formed from interactions between magma and ice, or water — interactions that could create the perfect environments for microbial life.

The northern lowlands spread across millions of square miles in the Red Planet's northern hemisphere. But dark sediments in the region have puzzled planetary scientists.

Briony Horgan and James Bell, both of Arizona State University, used the European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter to re-examine light radiated from the Martian plains. They determined that the strange readings were caused by sand composed of glass.

"We're actually seeing glass particles, like glass sand," Horgan said.


A glassy sea of sand

Such landforms are not unique to Mars. Iceland boasts thousands of square miles of desert dominated by glass sand.

The Martian dunes don't just make an interesting vacation spot. They also provide tantalizing hints toward their formation.

"The only way to create an extensive glassy deposit like that is through explosive volcanism," Horgan said.
"This is the first direct evidence on Mars for explosive volcanism on a planetary scale."

When a Martian volcano erupts, the thin atmosphere and difference in pressure should make for some great pyrotechnics. But a fiery eruption alone won't guarantee glass. It takes an interaction with water or ice to manage that.

"When lava or magma interacts with ice or water, it is quenched, which means it rapidly cools and solidifies," said Claire Cousins of the University of London.

"This rapid cooling prevents any crystals from growing, and so a volcanic glass is produced."

Cousins, who was not involved in the new research, has studied volcanic environments in Iceland and Antarctica as Martian analogues, and is investigating subglacial volcanoes on Earth as habitats for life.

The glassy plains also show evidence of water-related weathering. As ice melted across the lowlands, it mixed with the strange sand to form an acid. With enough exposure to the iron inside the sand, the chemicals would neutralize, which means that only a constantly renewed water source, like melting ice or snow, could cause the leaching the team saw.

Details on the newfound Martian landforms were published online in the journal Geology.


A hotspot for life

The glassy expanse would not be the best location to search for life. But it could lead to more promising environments.

"We definitely know searching for organisms in the northern lowlands is difficult," Horgan said.

"I think the better place to go would be those source regions, the ice-magma interactions."

The north polar sand sea and the Acidalia Planitia (the large, dark region in the center) of Mars are primarily composed of glass.

Referring to hydrothermal systems and subglacial lakes, she said, "Those have been identified as places where biosignatures could have been preserved."

Cousins agreed.

"Regions of volcano-ice interactions on Earth provide a wide range of hydrothermal environments that can be exploited by microbial life," she said.

If a volcano erupts beneath a glacier, the heat could form huge subglacial lakes.

"It's the perfect place for microbes," Horgan said. "A nice, warm, safe place for microbes to hang out, with lots of chemicals around to munch on."
Locating the lakes

Finding such water sources could prove to be a challenge. After a volcanic explosion, the newly-created sand could fall from the sky. But although scientists have modeled a number of possibilities, they haven't quite been able to make the sand spread across the lowlands.

"There's only a couple of ways to move this stuff around," Horgan said.

Sand-sized ash is too heavy to travel far from the vents. The northern highlands are hundreds to thousands of miles from known volcanoes, however, which has left scientists puzzled.

The glass sand could provide a valuable clue. Because it requires ice or water to form, the subglacial lakes they suggest could solve part of the distribution problem.

Though the water would initially be contained - and ripe for life - eventually it could break free of the walls containing it, creating enormous floods across the lowlands.

"This would be similar to some of the catastrophic floods people have talked about for Mars."

The presence of glass sand, and their requirement of water to form, bring a clearer understanding to the geology of the Red Planet, and a more concrete suggestion on where to look for life.

"It's the first time we've really seen evidence for ice-related alterations on Mars," Horgan said.

"It's something we're really excited to look into."
 
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