Liverpool FC supporters thread - 2017/18 Season

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Transfer update

Post COVID-19 priorities should be for a CB to replace Lovren and an AM to replace Shaqiri in addition to the LB and some kiddies who have already signed. There is then an argument whether or Lewis is trusted as a send choice CB if Larouci leaves, knowing there is also cover from elsewhere. Furthermore, Klopp wants to add Thiago (DM/CM) but Liverpool has not spoken with his club and it would really hit what little available transfer funds there are.

Home Grown quota is potentially going to be an issue next season with two players no longer under 21 and probably two HG players departing (now that Milner is staying) which means the club will only be able to add one non-HG player without others leaving from the first team squad.

Potential Outbound Players:

Shamal George (G) Gone
Loris Karius (G) Liverpool find him back on the doorstep and will need to find a solution - perhaps a reduced price and an early exit - CSKA and Hertha Berlin offer opportunities - does not wish to return to Turkey although there is interest from there. With Boeckx getting toward the end of his career and Roef's departure this summer already agreed Anderlecht would like him to challenge first choice Van Crombrugge but the asking price was too high and they have gone for cover in Timon Wellenreuther. Wolves needed cover, but Karius would not be first choice there as they have added a player - and regular playing time is what he will be after.
Andy Lonergan (G) out of contract - gone
Yasser Larouci (LWB) Reims look to now be losing Hassane Kamara and they are starting to look for options and that includes Larouci. Leeds enquired but have stepped back. Brentford are expecting to lose Benrahma and want a left-sided player capable of covering the LWB and LW positions - and Larouci is a LW who has been converted to LB - and their interest is no secret. As many youngsters are doing, Larouci wants opportunities in the first team and Liverpool cannot offer that, and given a little something else going on, he may well look to options but I don't think he has asked to leave.
Adam Lewis (LB) moved to Amiens - loan with an option to buy.
Devan Lovren (CB) Prior interest of Zenit won out over Roma.
Nathaniel Phillips (CB) if Liverpool add a first choice CB that Klopp wants then time may have come for Phillips - Stuttgart would like to keep him on loan and may be open to buying him at the right price.
Nathaniel Clyne (RB) Gone.
Pedro Chirivella (DM/CM) Moved to Nantes.
Anderson Arroyo (LB) likely get another loan or the club need to cut him loose.
Gini Wijnaldum (CM) was priced out of a move last summer but will be allowed to leave if a new contract is not agreed. Naby Keita has so far failed to step up to take his place consistently so the club could look to hold on to Wijnaldum if they cannot sign Thiago - perhaps until either Keita sorts his act out or until Curtis Jones is ready to step up as a first team regular – but his chances drop away with Thiago.
Marko Grujic (CM) Liverpool will most likely opt to take a good profit and run as there is no guarantee of a Work Permit being granted or a place in the team - and critically Grujic is not HG - but the player wants a chance. Hertha Berlin asked for a third year on loan with an obligation to buy at the end of the loan but Liverpool want to sell the player now and Borussia Monchengladbach may offer a solution as they see Grujic as an ideal Denis Zakaria replacement, but will start discussions with the idea of a loan with an obligation to buy. Other options exist in Italy with Lazio who, like Borussia Monchengladbach, have been talking to his agent and Liverpool will likely get offers from both clubs. Napoli and Milan may just show an interest as well. Perhaps interest from the Premier League.
Ovie Ejaria (CM) expected to join Reading in the summer but they want the pre-agreed £3M fee halved.
Adam Lallana (LM, AM, CM) Moved to Brighton.
Xherdan Shaqiri (AM/RW) wants more game time and wishes to stay, and if he leaves it opens the door for HG player to ease an issue the club has - Seville interest has gone - Galatasaray want a loan with an option to buy. Interest of Lazio is possible as they have been unable to agree a price for their first-choice player.
Harry Wilson (RW) Minamino likely ends his Liverpool career – Leeds many offer an option, but Liverpool will not let him leave on loan.
Sadio Mane (LW/RW/F) one of three players identified Barcelona as a potential Messi replacement before the change of coach and now the have one Mane has worked with before. Two representatives of Mane's have spoken with Barcelona. One of the players identified by PSG as a possible Neymar replacement. A move this summer is unlikely, but it would provide the funding to allow Liverpool to recruit the likes of Sarr and Thiago.
Taiwo Awoniyi (F) no meaningful future - will sell in the summer if possible - loan to Mainz has not worked out well – a Celtic enquiry saw a large fee being requested.
Sheyi Ojo (W) interest from Nottingham Forest and Huddersfield.
Liam Millar (F) - a youngster who will suffer the same fate as many of the youngsters at Liverpool with opportunity not there – available.
Rhian Brewster (S) loan to Swansea again perhaps or keep him and integrate him into the team. A loan would be a great shame as he is good enough to take opportunities at Liverpool.
 

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Possible Incoming Players:

Fabian Mrozek (GK) kiddie 16 from FC Wroclaw - very well thought of.
Javi Cendon (GK) free agent training with the squad – could be signed.
Konstantine Tsimkas (LWB) has signed instead of the preferred HG option of Jamal Lewis.
I suspect that a CB may well need to be added, assuming Lovren or someone else leaves. Liverpool may look to bolster the home-grown quota and have looked at Dael Fry (CB), Ben White (CB) and Ben Godfrey (CB) but are putting their efforts in to a high-end CB (Diego Carlos) first. Much will depend on youngsters developing and how Joe Gomez does - assuming Lovren is leaving – and that could drive whether the club look to using Gomez as first choice and buying a young HG player or moving for Diego Carlos or someone similar and leave Gomez as back up. Obviously, the club would also need to deal with any unexpected departures.
Diego Carlos (CB) Manchester City have dropped their interest and are looking at others. Real Madrid has a sustained interest, but their focus is on resolving financial issues. Barcelona have him on their list of CBs but they will look to horse trade using Ivan Rakitic. Liverpool has declared an interest in taking DC and he is the first choice for Klopp. If this happens, I would think it would be the big move for the club this summer and would leave Gomez picking up pieces across the defence. It may also need to be funded by a significant sale. Looks unlikely and no longer possible to include Xherdan Shaqiri in a deal.
Ben White (CB) potentially the pick of the younger home grown CBs - if Diego Carlos were to arrive or a CB were not to leave, he can also be scratched. Has a significant advantage over Carlos as he is home grown. Might well become the preferred choice over Carlos as a Lovren replacement - but it would push Joe Gomez down the pecking order. Manchester City have a growing interest in Ben White. Leeds are resigned to their interest going nowhere. Brighton don't want to sell and Liverpool don't have the money right now.
Lisandro Martinez (CB) watched by Liverpool and Real Madrid but he was not one of the players Ajax agreed to let leave this summer.
Edmond Tapsoba (CB) Moved to Germany in January 2020 and much is expected of him. They have no have no intention to sell and it would likely take an offer of perhaps €40M to tempt them. No known approach by Liverpool and if there were to be, they should perhaps think seriously about him having to play in AFCON.
Diego Llorente (CB) has been watched by Marseille, Spurs, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool, West Ham, Everton, Wolves, Fulham and Sevilla since joining Real Sociedad. Everton interest went with a change of coach. Wolves had an offer accepted last summer but the player was adamant his family was settled and wanted to stay where he was. The player interested Spurs when they thought Toby Alderweireld was leaving but he signed a new contract. However, with Jan Vertonghen leaving they could be tempted again. With Ben White looking unlikely Diego Llorente would offer a reasonable option to Diego Carlos to Liverpool - so perhaps. Marseille and Atletico both have financial issues and lesser needs so can be discounted. Sevilla were considering Llorente as a Diego Carlos replacement but can be discounted as they have a preferred option in mind. Real Sociedad want €50M - price is high. West Ham can be discounted. Everton interest went when they changed coach. Liverpool won’t have that much available without a major sale.
Francisco Ferreira (CB) Benfica's "Ferro" was one of three young players the club were very keen on in 2017 - he has been watched again.
Dael Fry (CB) Liverpool had a declared interest in Fry but that will have gone.
Ben Godfrey (CB) - another HG option to Fry. But nothing is happening so I think he can also be scratched.
Ozan Kabak (CB) has been of past interest to both Manchester sides, Inter Milan and Bayern Munich but the asking price has always been see as high, although it seemed to be something between €35M and €40M it could have halved due to the pandemic and Schalke having financial issues. The interest of the Manchester sides when he left Galatasaray for Stuttgart and he hit an age where he could never qualify as Home Grown in England - and that is something Liverpool should concern themselves with as well. I am not so sure he is the starter Liverpool have been looking for, but he will be cheaper than both Llorente and Diego Carlos and would still push Joe Gomez in to the background. He is well thought of by Borussia Dortmund who wanted Tanguy Kouassi as a replacement for Toprak and Belardi but he moved to Bayern Munich resulting in their making an approach and being told he is not for sale - but they have declared an interest. Schalke say they have also been approached by Juventus and Leicester. A far better option for Liverpool than Mandi.
Aissa Mandi (CB) Real Betis CB who Newcastle have an interest in. West Ham were interested last summer but not convinced, and instead opted for young prospect Goncalo Cardoso. Real Betis would sell at the right price. For Liverpool he would be a Lovren replacement and financially perhaps using Nathanial Phillips makes more sense. Fenerbahce have had talks with Real Betis. Another who would be off the AFCON and no approach to his club by Liverpool.
Thiago Alcantara (CM) was expected to extend at Bayern Munich but looking at options - Juventus may be interested. Liverpool have not approached Bayern Munich and has no agreement regardless of what the Fat Kid from Bolton and his invisible friend says. Bayern Munich expected Thiago to extend at Bayern Munich but they do not want to pay more than the €12M a year he is currently earning. Klopp has been speaking directly with the player but seems to have heeded the warding from Bayern Munich. Klopp is certainly keen there are concerns from at least two people in the club that his age, injury issues and lack of a sell on value mean that the club should step back. His huge wages may also cause concern amongst the players at Liverpool. Now his head has been turned and wants to move it seems that Liverpool will not pay the asking price and will try and leverage a cheap move or leave Bayern Munich with a player who is unhappy and return for him in January when a Bosnam move can be arranged for next summer. PSG spoke with them during discussions they have been having over another player, but he is certainly no more than an option for them. Manchester City have concerns about the age/price/injury status as others at Liverpool have raised.
Ismaila Sarr (RW/LW/F) has had a disrupted season after moving from Rennes and has become available with Watford being relegated and Wolves have enquired after him - wanting to be kept informed just in case Adama Traore is sold. Crystal Palace have him on their list of potential Wilfried Zaha replacements, but he is not their first choice, although they could turn to him if their first choice heads elsewhere. It has been suggested that Liverpool are interested but whilst he would make a good replacement for Shaqiri but (a) would Sarr want to limit his playing time to that which Shaqiri gets, (b) he is not Home Grown, (c) he would block Harvey Elliott's progression, (d) he would cost £40M or thereabouts, and (e) like the last few players asked about, would depart for AFCON when it happens as he is Senegalese. I am not aware of any approach to Watford by Liverpool, but the club may have spoken with his agent. If Mane or Salah were to leave, it makes a great deal more sense and would provide the funding.
Mateusz Musialowski (RW) Polish kiddie who has signed.
Jeremy Doku (RW/LW) Liverpool attempted to strike a deal for Jeremie Doku but dropped their interest in the kid because of a misunderstanding about him going to see Chelsea (which turned out to be his sister not the club). There was a fear that Anderlecht would face further sanctions over past issues and an approach by Milan about the player saw them ask €20M. The situation has now changed and offers may be listened to after he has had a good season - but any deal is likely going to need a one- or two-year loan back to Anderlecht. This is where it gets difficult and would cut Milan out of a deal. Clubs are going to be less likely to want to tie funds up in such a way. I am not aware of another approach by Liverpool at this time but at the right price there could be well be interest.
Ousmane Dembele (RW/LW) Someone close to the situation tells me Liverpool has made a general enquiry as to the asking price - and have been told €100M – nothing more at this time and unless Salah or Sadio Mane were to leave it would be a very unlikely transfer. But I would not rule it out if the price halves and could be offered as part of a deal for Sadio Mane perhaps?
 

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Barca wants Mane if Messi leaves and on a shortlist of 3.

Kloppo might go for Sarr, Traore or Dembele which he likes
 

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If we don’t land Thiago then I don’t understand wtf is going on. If klopp wants him why aren’t we getting him. Gini won’t get a contract apparently so he may leave. All for youngsters but there must be balance. We can’t just damn money ball this transfer window.
 

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Money ball hey.

Williams. Potential? Yes. First team ready? Bit short.

Great strike though.

Williams needs some help here.
 

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Klopp realised today we need a classy defender with Virg. Think we will sign a defender and a midfielder now
 

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Barca wants Mane if Messi leaves and on a shortlist of 3.

Kloppo might go for Sarr, Traore or Dembele which he likes
Barca don't have the money and i doubt Mane would want to go join that dumpster fire.
 

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Well played Leeds,if the next 37 games are going to be like this I'll be up and down like the Leeds manager...
 

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Firminho has become a liability. He has not done well this year and to think that Klopp did not want to buy Werner because he won't get a game.
Glad to see Salah back and not being so selfish.
Apart from him, don't think any of the other players turned up today.
 

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Such spoilt brats we've become as Liverpool supporters - want easy 5-0 batterings like City hand out - boooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnngggggg......

That was a great game of football yesterday - exciting and energetic.

The win is all the sweeter 'cos we were properly challenged.

Klopp summarises it perfectly in his post match interview.
 

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Such spoilt brats we've become as Liverpool supporters - want easy 5-0 batterings like City hand out - boooooooooorrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnngggggg......

That was a great game of football yesterday - exciting and energetic.

The win is all the sweeter 'cos we were properly challenged.

Klopp summarises it perfectly in his post match interview.
So i sometimes forget that we won with 7 games left to spare and that we had 2 seasons with almost 100 points each. So we have become spoilt and i dont think that will happen again, same as City i guess.
However, teams have figured us out as you will see that most goals we have conceded is by beating the midfield press when we lose the ball and countering at speed.
 

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So i sometimes forget that we won with 7 games left to spare and that we had 2 seasons with almost 100 points each. So we have become spoilt and i dont think that will happen again, same as City i guess.
However, teams have figured us out as you will see that most goals we have conceded is by beating the midfield press when we lose the ball and countering at speed.

Good that we've been 'worked out' - needs to be done perfectly or we'll murder any team who tries it on the counter - especially with this lean, mean Mo we saw on Saturday.

We will also be forced to evolve and are fortunately to have the best 'improve them through training' manager in the world to get us to do that.

More exciting stuffed to look forward to.

Without the monkey of not having won the PL I can simply enjoy football again.
 
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