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AfricanTech

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Yes Ashley Young did his job extremely well and provided nothing going forward. I felt that we should have switched Mou and Mane around. The one time Mane ran with the ball into the box he got fouled by Fellaini. A let off for United. I posted that we should be retaining the ball more instead of passing in the box for their defenders to intercept. We weren't going to draw them forward.

Mou's tactics? As the season goes on it becomes to not concede and maybe steal the win. Pogba and Sanchez does not fit into this style when it keeps their attacking flair in check. Crystal Palace were naive and missed out. Hopefully Sevilla thumps them or gets a late, late equalizer.

I was disappointed that Pogba didn't play - he's much less disciplined than the rest of them and would have presented an opportunity to us to press - ah well, on we go.

Posted in another thread that it's been pretty even between us and them for a while now (LWDDDDL) so not too bothered.
 

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Targeting Trent is hardly revolutionary - you just have better players than the others who have tried it.

Clyne would have coped without any issue - I suspect that Gomez would also have been undone - we don't have any other RB at the moment so not much choice in that department.

I won't give Mou credit for his tactics - I will give him credit for your discipline.

You have to agree it does take some brilliant tactical planning to thwart your front 3. 0 Shots on target in the second half even though you had more possession.
Sanchez for all his "does not fit in United gameplan" created 2 chances and one which should have lead to Mata scoring.

Klopp, time and again keeps putting forward this "illusion" of defenders out in the hope the front 3 can out score every team.
 

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You have to agree it does take some brilliant tactical planning to thwart your front 3.

Nothing of the sort. Stolen from the playbook of the equally brilliant Pulis and Allardyce - it was the discipline Mou demands - which is why Pogba's absence disappointed us. Sit back and defend in numbers will always suppress our counter attacking front 3. Long ball down the field was the only goals you scored, the other should-have-could-have opportunities applies to us equally.

I don't understand the last line?
 

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You have to agree it does take some brilliant tactical planning to thwart your front 3. 0 Shots on target in the second half even though you had more possession.
Sanchez for all his "does not fit in United gameplan" created 2 chances and one which should have lead to Mata scoring.

Klopp, time and again keeps putting forward this "illusion" of defenders out in the hope the front 3 can out score every team.

I don't understand what you mean by 'illusion' - Lovren (who LFC fans pretty much despise because he vacillates between decent and absolute shirt - refer the Spurs game when he had to be hooked) was out headed by Lukaku, Trent (who is less experienced than Rashford) made two critical errors in the game (like I said before, I doubt that Clyne makes those errors). We were lucky to get away with a third error (the Mata chance). The reality of the 'illusion' of our defence is that it's measurably better since the big loss to Spurs a couple of months back.

You're not the first lot to keep the front 3 quiet by packing your box and double man marking. I'm disappointed that our front 3 (and Ox) were off their game though.

Take the win and enjoy it - historically we haven't had much luck at Old Trafford over the years in any event.
 
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I don't understand what you mean by 'illusion' - Lovren (who LFC fans pretty much despise because he vacillates between decent and absolute shirt - refer the Spurs game when he had to be hooked) was out headed by Lukaku, Trent (who is less experienced than Rashford) made two critical errors in the game (like I said before, I doubt that Clyne makes those errors). We were lucky to get away with a third error (the Mata chance). The reality of the 'illusion' of our defence is that it's measurably since the big loss to Spurs a couple of months back.

You're not the first lot to keep the front 3 quiet by packing your box and double man marking. I'm disappointed that our front 3 (and Ox) were off their game though.

Take the win and enjoy it - historically we haven't had much luck at Old Trafford over the years in any event.

All I'm pointing out is the shortfalls of your manager, you guys are so focused on our's not realising Mou may play anti football but it takes a lot more effort to nullify your opponents gameplan
 

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All I'm pointing out is the shortfalls of your manager, you guys are so focused on our's not realising Mou may play anti football but it takes a lot more effort to nullify your opponents gameplan

Klopp certainly does have shortfalls especially on the defensive side of things (+some of his subs baffle me and he's too loyal towards some who should be gotten rid of) - still wouldn't have anyone else above him though (maybe Pep but Pep needs biiiiiiiiig money to fuel his philosophy).

I do agree that it takes effort to setup in the way that Mourinho does (same as Simeone) - don't know whether 'more' is the right adjective, 'different' might be more appropriate.
 

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Klopp certainly does have shortfalls especially on the defensive side of things (+some of his subs baffle me and he's too loyal towards some who should be gotten rid of) - still wouldn't have anyone else above him though (maybe Pep but Pep needs biiiiiiiiig money to fuel his philosophy).

I do agree that it takes effort to setup in the way that Mourinho does (same as Simeone) - don't know whether 'more' is the right adjective, 'different' might be more appropriate.

And different is good. How boring would it be if everyone played the same style. All these rivalries are what makes the game what it is. There's so much more to it than just the football, that is what makes it so enjoyable.
Liverpool is much easier on the eye and has a more likeable manager, scores goals for fun. It is great to have both teams "up there" again, City is in a different league this year but at least United and Liverpool are not competing for 7th and 8th.
 

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Nothing of the sort. Stolen from the playbook of the equally brilliant Pulis and Allardyce - it was the discipline Mou demands - which is why Pogba's absence disappointed us. Sit back and defend in numbers will always suppress our counter attacking front 3. Long ball down the field was the only goals you scored, the other should-have-could-have opportunities applies to us equally.

I don't understand the last line?

I couldn't watch more than one half last night but noticed on the onefootball summary that Sevilla scored twice after Pogba was brought on (and Ben Yedder of course) - emphasising the point that we made after our game re Pogba
 

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Nothing of the sort. Stolen from the playbook of the equally brilliant Pulis and Allardyce - it was the discipline Mou demands - which is why Pogba's absence disappointed us. Sit back and defend in numbers will always suppress our counter attacking front 3. Long ball down the field was the only goals you scored, the other should-have-could-have opportunities applies to us equally.

I don't understand the last line?

The long balls countered Liverpool's press...Every time.

Pep played right in to Liverpool's hands by City attempting to pass their way out from the back, allowing the Liverpool press to catch them deep in their own half. That goal rush in the second half was all about hitting City early in their passing movements, often as early as the first defender got on the ball, as they tried to work their way out.

Mou completely killed it by having de Gea bypass the defence when distributing the ball. Ofc people whine because they didn't allow Liverpool to play their game and it is unattractive, but Mou won 2-1 and Pep found himself down 1-4. It is clear which manager got it right. Pep let Liverpool play their game and paid for it.
 

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Pep played right in to Liverpool's hands by City.
Liverpool to play their game and it is unattractive, but Mou won 2-1 and Pep found himself down 1-4. It is clear which manager got it right. Pep let Liverpool play their game and paid for it.

Pep plays to his teams strengths and Jose against his opponents strengths. Pep plays with a attacking philosophy that has him 16 points leading United. It used to be similar in the Bundesliga as well. The blueprint was carried over into the CL which Bayern failed to win when he needed to tighten up. He was leading Liverpool by 18 points when we played each other with United around 15, there was no point playing Mou-ball.

The price Pep paid was a loss, the price of Jose's win is the stuttering attack and a team that got booed by the emptying stadium yesterday.
 

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Pep plays to his teams strengths and Jose against his opponents strengths. Pep plays with a attacking philosophy that has him 16 points leading United. It used to be similar in the Bundesliga as well. The blueprint was carried over into the CL which Bayern failed to win when he needed to tighten up. He was leading Liverpool by 18 points when we played each other with United around 15, there was no point playing Mou-ball.

The price Pep paid was a loss, the price of Jose's win is the stuttering attack and a team that got booed by the emptying stadium yesterday.

Mou's and United's problems are well documented. Doesn't change the fact that he took one of Europe's most vaunted attacks out of a game.
 

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Mou's and United's problems are well documented. Doesn't change the fact that he took one of Europe's most vaunted attacks out of a game.

West Brom are being relegated this season for sure, and Swansea were looking for certain when we played them as well. Long ball Allardyce in that match of 20% possession kept us to 3 shots from 21. When United beat us this weekend they had 32% possession, which was worse than the 35% when City beat United in December. And that then was then United's lowest at home since 14 years ago.

Like I said out of the playbook of Pulis and Allardyce, Mou took our vaunted attack out of the game.
 

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Cl Draws :
Liverpool v Manchester City
Juventus v Real Madrid
Sevilla v Bayern Munich
Barcelona v Roma

European nights vs Manchester city 50Km away.
 

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Cl Draws :
Liverpool v Manchester City
Juventus v Real Madrid
Sevilla v Bayern Munich
Barcelona v Roma

European nights vs Manchester city 50Km away.

I somehow knew that was going to happen...

And Barca, Real and Bayern magically avoid each other... :erm:
 
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I somehow knew that was going to happen...

And Barca, Real and Bayern magically avoid each other... :erm:

In terms of English football City vs Pool is the worst draw... in terms of match Pool got the worst draw of the lot... Pep already played you guys twice and knows how to handle your teams attack - even if they go down to another 4-3 the other leg will most likely be one sided... Maybe Klopp has a plan B in his defence.
 
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In terms of English football City vs Pool is the worst draw... in terms of match Pool got the worst draw of the lot... Pep already played you guys twice and knows how to handle your teams attack - even if they go down to another 4-3 the other leg will most likely be one sided...

I’d have preferred Roma but I had a feeling... It’s a tough draw, I’ll give you that but I’m also not forgetting we’re 1-1 with City this season and in one of those games we were down to ten men.
There are no gimmes in knockout football and I’ll take our odds... Besides, if we get through, it’s going to be Barca, Bayern or Real for a semi so the hill all the teams have to climb just kicked the hell up.
 
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