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While this is a welcome ruling, I doubt it will change anything tbh.... plus I'm not all that ecstatic about Neotottie trying to provide Wired services... I don't think the company is actually up to it for a residential market.
The 2 exchanges in question are high concentration business areas.
 

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The 2 exchanges in question are high concentration business areas.

Ahhh, well then for those 2 exchanges I'm sure they can cope... but the effect of the ruling should ultimately be that all exchanges become "open" no? If that is the case, then I'm not sure about Neotels ability (or wish for that matter) to get involved in the wired residential busines... they will keep their focus on the Enterprise market where they do actually do ok, but then its not a large low ARPU customer base.
 

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Ahhh, well then for those 2 exchanges I'm sure they can cope... but the effect of the ruling should ultimately be that all exchanges become "open" no? If that is the case, then I'm not sure about Neotels ability (or wish for that matter) to get involved in the wired residential busines... they will keep their focus on the Enterprise market where they do actually do ok, but then its not a large low ARPU customer base.
a.k.a. cherry-picking
 

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a.k.a. cherry-picking

Yup...

I think I'm more going with Neotel being the ultimate cherry pickers rather than having a bit of foresight and picking exchanges that could be profitable (due to being in dense residential areas, but being underserviced now).

I'm lucky in the fact that my Exchange is a mixture of business and residential so it will probably be one of the ones that Telco's will cherrypick to provide services from, but I know of a few people that live in areas where everyone would pay for the services, but the exchange is probably not profitable because the services aren't there or Telkom refuses to repair/rebuild/build the infrastructure for it.
 

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While this is a welcome ruling, I doubt it will change anything tbh.... plus I'm not all that ecstatic about Neotottie trying to provide Wired services... I don't think the company is actually up to it for a residential market.

While I agree that Neotel should be wholesale only, and should use resellers to provide services to residential/SMME customers, I tend to think that access to exchanges is in line with the role of a wholesale network provider. Sadly Neotel has to date not moved away from retail towards being wholesale only, this is unlikely to change.
 

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I wonder if there is already a tariff for this type of service? Anyone in the know?
 

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Strange but true.

ICASA's Complaints and Compliance Committee told ICASA it needs to get the LLU regulations in place as they should have been finished with them on 1 November 2011 already.
OK so correct me if I am wrong. This is how I understand it:

ICASA CCC tells ICASA to tell Telkom that the original DoC policy directive of 2007 must be followed. Telkom creates all the delays it can and in the meantime ICASA staff get poached, change, and new ones come in. New DoC staff get assigned to the DoC who want to do the academic thing of talk shops, discussions and policy docs not caring much about the past. All the while Telkom uses the delays in process to not adhere to policy directives and just collects more legal ammunition as excuses not to the original directive in the first place passing the blame at ICASAs feet.
 
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OK so correct me if I am wrong. This is how I understand it:

ICASA CCC tells ICASA to tell Telkom that the original DoC policy directive of 2007 must be followed. Telkom creates all the delays it can and in the meantime ICASA staff get poached, change, and new ones come in. New DoC staff get assigned to the DoC who want to do the academic thing of talk shops, discussions and policy docs not caring much about the past. All the while Telkom uses the delays in process to not adhere to policy directives and just collects more legal ammunition as excuses not to the original directive in the first place passing the blame at ICASAs feet.
Here's a better summary of this case: http://www.techcentral.co.za/neotel-trips-up-telkom/32001/
 

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- thanks for the necro was going to have to google to find the article --
LLU submissions ...

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http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-667/telecoms/south-africa-neotel/en

Neotel has written to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (Icasa) asking for clarity on possible delays to the process of unbundling Telkom’s local loop.

This comes after Icasa agreed not to publish the draft regulations on local-loop unbundling (LLU) so that recently appointed communications minister Yunus Carrim can study them.

Neotel Chief Corporate Services Officer Tracy Cohen says the company wrote to Icasa after reading that the publication of draft regulations has been delayed.

Cohen says the purpose of the letter is not to try and compel the regulator to publish the regulations. It simply wants “some guidelines” on how much longer it will have to wait.

On Monday, the Department of Communications proposed a comprehensive regulatory impact assessment (RIA) be conducted before implementing LLU to assess its effects. Icasa, meanwhile, believes such an assessment is likely to further delay the process and is unnecessary.

In May 2012, Neotel emerged victorious at a hearing at Icasa’s complaints and compliance committee (CCC) where it sought access to two of Telkom’s Johannesburg exchanges under separate facilities-leasing regulations, which are already in force. The CCC found in Neotel’s favour and ordered Icasa to draw up regulations to unbundle the local loop.

“We’ve simply said there’s a CCC ruling and a ministerial determination and things have taken long enough,” Cohen says. “We want some guidelines on how much longer it’s going to take.”

She adds that LLU has a role to play in the “functional” (operational) separation of Telkom’s wholesale and retail arms to which the operator agreed in a recent settlement reached with the Competition Commission.

“I think the regulator has to consider the tie-up between the Competition Commission’s ruling and the CCC’s.”

Source: Mybroadband.co.za
 
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