Local bandwidth counts to cap - Why?!

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I'm sure this has been discussed at length before, but has anyone at Telkom provided a good explanation for why local bandwidth counts towards the cap, even when capping doesn't affect local access?

It really bugs me, because I see unaffected local access as the one thing that can be relied on with ADSL, and potentially beneficial to SA's internet industry as well. But because all bandwidth counts, I avoid local sites altogether at the beginning of the month and restrict my local gaming, until I'm capped, and then I abuse my local connection as best I can for the remainder of the month.

Since local access is never restricted, Telkom obiously knows the local network can handle plenty of users on DC and similar apps. So why not just give everyone a break and not meter local access?
 

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ummmmm......... because they are Telkom?

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They do this because the more stuff that adds to that cap the better cos then they save on international bandwidth and thereby increase their revenue cos they have to pay the overseas operators less.

If one klaps the cap in the first few days just by browsing locally then it most certainly nullifies their argument that DSL is so expensive do to the 'high cost' of international bandwith.


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They tried to justify it by saying they are covering costs of the roll out... ***!!! They just want $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They do this because the more stuff that adds to that cap the better cos then they save on international bandwidth and thereby increase their revenue cos they have to pay the overseas operators less.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I'm sure most people do practically no local browsing until they're capped, i.e. they use almost 3GB of international bandwidth a month. I'm sure it doesn't save them any significant amount. Plus they have to be able to pay for 3GB int'l / month / user anyway.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm sure most people do practically no local browsing until they're capped,<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I agree with this statement.
The only local traffic I have is the local gaming servers and this is what draws most of my bandwidth. I pay dearly for this privilege. I had to extend my account from 3 to 6 gigs just so that I can be able to still browse a few overseas sites.
The situation is very unfair. I don’t need more than 3 gigs at this stage for international browsing, but I am penalised because of my families local gaming activity. Telkom still have not addressed this issue. I think their silence is deafening. If they think they are remotely funny they are mistaken. The day I have a choice of service provider, I am going to dump Telkom on purely principle for leading the consumer down the garden path with their corporate excuses and half truths.


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I agree BTTB - last month I really didn't download all that much until I hit my cap (mostly because of online gaming), but once I was capped and had unlimited local bandwidth, I downloaded about 6GB locally just for the hell of it, though there was some stuff I actually wanted too. Probably doesn't cost Telkom much (or anything) for local bandwidth, but it was worth it.
 

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Gaming on SGS eats most of my cap. So sad we get penalised for something that does not cost anything!!

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But why would Telkom bother. They are making more out people like myself who buy an extra 3 gigs. Its very unfair to the consumer, but they are apparently not interested in undoing this injustice. As I said before, when I get the chance I'm leaving Telkom. I will also at the same time transfer my business telephone accounts to the SNO or whoever, I don't actually care really. Im just looking for a fair cheap service.

What I can't understand is the states stance on the matter. They are'nt concerned that their citizens are been overcharged. They would rather label it PSA. <b>P</b>roudly <b>S</b>outh African Ripoff <b>A</b>rtists

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A small observation I have made, many of you may have noticed that at the beginning of every month when the cap is reset for all ADSL users it is still possible to download internationaly at full speed (52 kilobytes per second) and thats with everyone making use of their recently uncapped bandwidth.

The theory is that they have more than sufficient international bandwidth, it is -not- actually costing them that much (hence the rediculous profits) and that the only reason they dont remove the cap is because it would probably destroy their diginet services along with ISDN.

I know that a diginet line is more stable and one can have several static ip's but with a bit of effort one can have ADSL performing similar operations and I don't know about you guys buy I havent experienced any severe technical problems with my ADSL.

Ultimately, it is another typical South African service screwing the consumer even when their pockets are bursting at the seams with money. *Off-Topic* While were on the South African service issue, who's house can be burnt down to compensate for the removal of the sci-fi channel? I was not impressed with that, seems everything in this country is going backwards.

I don't know if this theory has been explored before, it is just an opinion so don't take it too seriously.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Off-Topic* While were on the South African service issue, who's house can be burnt down to compensate for the removal of the sci-fi channel?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I would like to know aswell. DSTV could of easily removed one the many sports channels. I mean their was only 1 Sci Fi channel. Now their is none. [:(!]

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That would be George M. Coetzee, Group Secretary of Naspers Media.

As it seems, it was his brilliant idea to invest millions in pay per view porn channels on satellite TV, only to loose all those millions because South Africans, although they do love their porn, are not willing to pay for it.

It was also his idea to start two new channels, the 24 hour project fame Voyerism service and the soon to be opened "Africa Magic" channel, which will show us indigenous vilagers of Rwanda or some such east African backwater, dancing topless and beating drums, painting mud huts, etc.

Obviously, to afford airing two new channels and to compensate for millions lost to premium rate XXX action that never materialised, one has to cut costs somewhere. Removing a channel here and there probably helps with that.

In South Africa, the geek community is not given the respect or reverence it deserves. Probably because we don't buy the useless, arbitrary garbage that most TV advertisers try to peddle to us.

Naspers want to make money from DStv and all the other brands they controle, so they will always try to get as many advertisers to try selling as many utterly useless products as they can manage. Since geeks don't buy utterly useless products, there was absolutely no point in advertising on the Sci-Fi channel.

I imagine George might sound somewhat like a Forangi when addressing his share holder meetings, here is a hypothetical address he might deliver as to how they will maximize their profits and recoup the losses made with the porn fiasco:

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No advertising, no profit in hosting the channel, so, we'll delete it and use the money we save to cross subsidise soft gay porn, called Rugby, being broadcast on seven dedicated channels to the South African closet community every weekend during winter.

We'll also create an utterly pointless channel with 24 hour mindless content which draws the mentally retarded teenage population of South Africa by allowing them to watch 16 delinquents, from the far flung corners of the continent, at all hours of the day and night, as they do aerobics, sing, talk utter nonsence, sing, eat, sing, have sex, shower, have sex and sleep.

Then, on this channel, we'll invite the bottom feeding, scum sucking, criminal, advertising industry of South Africa to peddle items of absolutely no practical use whatsoever to the mindless teen market, who often neglect to take one vital item when visiting any store or shopping mall, their cerebrum.
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(I'm sure I've used that cerebrum comment before. - Podo)

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We'll use the profits we generate from exploiting the hapless teens to hide the millions we lost trying to sell porn to the South African market, who all told us they wanted the porn, but were never willing to pay for it. We still don't understand why, we had some really nice hard core stuff lined up on our premium rate XXX pay per view channels for "mature" viewers.

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As a side note, I was also quite disgusted when, at the end of last year, DStv decided to pull most of the DMX channels playing Jazz content and replaced them with such marvelous offerings as "Trendzzzzz", "Hot Traxxxxxx", "Groooooff Lounge" and "Uhban Beeht", saying that they had to adapt the audio offerings to better address the needs of the "market".

Incidentally, at the same time they pulled the plug on Sci-Fi last night, they re-initialized all our decoders. I was watching until the bitter end and just noticed it rebooting. Since then, they have been using the top part of the DMX screen to sell products from Crysler.

I will never buy a Crysler vehicle, just because they support these money hungry vampires, who are not only guilty of culturally depriving South African viewers, but are also generally disrespectful to South African geeks. This can not be tolerated.

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I too feel the loss for Sci-Fi. I agree, that the IT (read Geek) community is definately not take seriously. Telkom say that we are a disgruntled few, however. just from the level of discussions I assume most of us in IT (it not possibly all of us). Now, If the disgruntled 10% consitute of entirely IT professionals (or those closely related) it leads to a scary statistic. What if as a company you failed to please anyone with any technical savvy? What then? One day some poor little programmer is just going to crack, then it will spread like a disease and we will all go crazy? Can anyone else hear the voices?
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MaD</i>
If one klaps the cap in the first few days just by browsing locally then it most certainly nullifies their argument that DSL is so expensive do to the 'high cost' of international bandwith.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

What I meant there was that they are making a massive profit from overseas bandwidth whether you use it or not or need it or not. Know what i'm trying to say? If you don't use any of it you pay for it anyways even if you haven't touched it... ag I suck at explaining stuff [:)]

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I get your point.

Telkom are charging us for 3 gigs of international bandwidth, even though we use local bandwidth as part of the 3 gigs. So its safe to say that Telkom is making a nice profit from all the "unused" international bandwidth we dont use. As they must surely be charging for 3 gigs and not less.
The more we rationalise the argument the more they will make it look like garbage. In my short life on earth, I always smell a rat in these circumstances as inevitably somebody is withholding something and its certainly not the consumer in this case.

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Did you guys see the posts on hellopeter.com about the SciFi channel and DSTV responses?
 

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Why's that a .com? I have this thing about SA sites using .com's. It's R50 / year for a .co.za, y'know, not R300! Hmm, want more Pete pics?

http://www.petercheales.co.za/coporateacclaim_content.htm

:) Hehe. And that's a co.za.
 

TheVoice

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It's not JUST a South African site though, there are visitors from all over the world there. I don't think it was particularly aimed directly and only at South Africa.
 
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