Lockdown is losing the support of South Africans

[Fargle]

A kangaroo court...

 

[Neuk_]

The problem is, it won't affect YOU, but it'll affect the vast majority of poor people that tend to share cigarettes and (alcoholic) drinks.

It wouldn't be in the ANC's best interests to prohibit these poor people in settlements etc. from smoking and drinking while allowing it for the middle class and above. It's not "fair".

So we all suffer as a result.

I heard that one of the reasons for keeping the tobacco and related products ban in place was 'sharing' which I think is a very weak reason, actually excuse for keeping the ban in place. Like I said, the ban doesn't affect me at all as I don't smoke and I haven't vaped in a long time but I cannot stand it when rubbish excuses are given for rubbish regulations.

 

[Fargle]

A kangaroo court...

That was intended to be in response to the bloke saying our leaders should all be in court.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The problem is, it won't affect YOU, but it'll affect the vast majority of poor people that tend to share cigarettes and (alcoholic) drinks.

It wouldn't be in the ANC's best interests to prohibit these poor people in settlements etc. from smoking and drinking while allowing it for the middle class and above. It's not "fair".

So we all suffer as a result.

Do you honestly think the majority of the poor people in informal are smoking legal cigarettes in the first place?

The ban on tobacco really only applies to the people who would be buying boxes and up, and are not known to share smokes in that fashion.

 

[Compton_effect]

The thing that gets me is the lack of consistency. The lockdown worked, from what I can see.

 

[RVQ]

Do you honestly think the majority of the poor people in informal are smoking legal cigarettes in the first place?

The ban on tobacco really only applies to the people who would be buying boxes and up, and are not known to share smokes in that fashion.

In true ANC spirit, restrict the sale of legal goods so that the counterfeit market can flourish and promote crime.

The question everyone should be asking is which ANC cadre is getting "commission" for all these draconian policies. Its already known R400 million went to bring 200 hundred Cuban Doctors even though thousands of South African medical professionals remain unemployed with many offering skills for free, then there's the case of the multi-million Rand chicken fence at the border, ....
This 'State of Disaster' is just an excuse to sidestep anti-corruption measures so the ANC can go on one last spending spree before they join their Gupta brothers in UAE, leaving SA with fat loans to pay for the next 100 years.

 

[The Webdev Guy]

These are unprecedented times. No matter what the gvt does, whether they are strict or relaxed with the lockdown measures they will be criticized. Personally, I have family members who are elderly and some who have underlying conditions and my concern is for them. Better to be safe than sorry.

 

[ponder]

These are unprecedented times. No matter what the gvt does, whether they are strict or relaxed with the lockdown measures they will be criticized. Personally, I have family members who are elderly and some who have underlying conditions and my concern is for them. Better to be safe than sorry.

The virus is not going away, you'll eventually get it.

 

[The Webdev Guy]

If people followed the social distancing guidelines then the gvt regulations wouldn't need to be so strict but if you go to pick n pay people can't even stand 2m apart unless someone sticks red tape on the floor saying "STAND HERE". If we behave like children then we'll be treated like children.

We have to find a way. We have to adapt.

 

[ToxicBunny]

If people followed the social distancing guidelines then the gvt regulations wouldn't need to be so strict but if you go to pick n pay people can't even stand 2m apart unless someone sticks red tape on the floor saying "STAND HERE". If we behave like children then we'll be treated like children.

Makes no difference if people followed logical things... This has moved way beyond control of the virus.. this is a population control exercise now, nothing more or less.

 

[zolly]

The virus is not going away, you'll eventually get it.

Ya, but imagine if everyone got it at the same time...

 

[Nerhzelok]

I heard that one of the reasons for keeping the tobacco and related products ban in place was 'sharing' which I think is a very weak reason, actually excuse for keeping the ban in place. Like I said, the ban doesn't affect me at all as I don't smoke and I haven't vaped in a long time but I cannot stand it when rubbish excuses are given for rubbish regulations.

Yeah look, agreed, and whether or not there's a ban, the past has shown that prohibition actually pushes people to make their own alcohol, or "illegaly" procuring cigs. Worse so, the alcohol is typically of a stronger variant, **** gets out of control fast. All those sorts of things.

 

[zolly]

Makes no difference if people followed logical things... This has moved way beyond control of the virus.. this is a population control exercise now, nothing more or less.

It's the lockdown that has taught me how so many people must suffer because so others don't have any discipline. After the first warning, I was literally only seeing my girlfriend and my flate mate. Now I am effectively locked up in my flat because idiots were going to clubs and beaches and singing corona.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It's the lockdown that has taught me how so many people must suffer because so others don't have any discipline. After the first warning, I was literally only seeing my girlfriend and my flate mate. Now I am effectively locked up in my flat because idiots were going to clubs and beaches and singing corona.

I think you will find that even if everyone had locked themselves up in their houses and been good little minions, this bollocks would still have played out this way.

 

[Lupus]

They've already lost mine and can now go get fscked. Whatever trust they had in the first few weeks has long since gone.

The constant flip flopping between ministers in a dick swinging exercise was bad. But this cigarette u-turn is the tipping point and it has nothing to do with smoking. It's the fact that the president officially has no credibility by making a statement, only to be overruled by a Zuma at the last minute, apparently due to 2,000 moaners.

Would like to see what a pitiful army of 70,000 soldiers will be able to do against an uprising of 50,000,000...

They lost mine the moment they extended it, this current "extension" really cements it for me.

 

[Gordon_R]

I think you will find that even if everyone had locked themselves up in their houses and been good little minions, this bollocks would still have played out this way.

Lockdown could theoretically have worked if everyone had 21 days food supply, and there was no need for essential services. Of course that's impossible, but as soon as you open that door, there's no stopping the spread!

It seems clear to me that most of the spread during the lockdown was due to outbreaks in essential service facilities (hospitals, shops, law enforcement). That is not encouraging for the future, and a hint that hygiene and social distancing would have been more productive, compared to an early and hard lockdown, which is now unsustainable.

 

[ponder]

Ya, but imagine if everyone got it at the same time...

We don't have enough hospital beds anyways, even fewer ventilators. By the time you need a ventilator your chances are pretty slim.

We have 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people, ~3000 ICU beds.

 

[Lucas Buck]

I was and I am all for the initial hard lockdown as I thought the purpose was to limit the initial outbreak in order to help Government and healthcare prepare for the eventual increase in covid cases, while also allowing time for business and education to prepare for how they would implement hygiene and social distancing and change the way they operate to help deal with the pandemic.
A hard lockdown was never meant to be the solution.

 

[Thorium]

A funny thing that I have noticed: All of the mainstream threads seem to focus the effects of the lockdown as far as it affects them personally. None of the mainstream threads are focussed on the effects of the economy, which, by now, some may have realised to be fairly important.

I believe that if we do not discuss this, we are playing into the hands of our government, who appears to be hell-bent on destroying the economy. Not because the government is stupid, but because they have a different idealogical goal in mind. Mboweni recently referred to "The New Economy". What exactly is that? RET?

We all know that the ANC idolises and cosies up to the pariahs of the political world -- Cuba, China, Libya, Zimbabwe, South Sudan et al. They all have some things in common. It is therefore quite logical to conclude that our ANC Gods Who Delivered Us From Apartheid wish for these types of government on their citizens, and what better way to implement it under the guise of Covid-19? Why wait years to boil frogs when you have a trump Corona card to play?

Is the ANC government relaxing lockdown for the economies' sake, or for the prosperity of its citizens? Or are they purposefully and carefully dismantling the economy to pursue their own ideological Marxist and Communist goals? Could they be using COVID-19 as a catalyst in achieving their ideological and radical "Economic Transformation"? If they reduce all citizens, businesses and economy of SA to nothingness, would this allow them to reset all the counters, making everyone equal? And then start to build their own idealogical plan with a "special" economic model to support it? Will this then give them their desired state: namely everyone on their knees, dependent and therefore grovellingly subservient to the demi-gods in government?

 

[Jabulani22]

The thing that gets me is the lack of consistency. The lockdown worked, from what I can see.

Come on this thing spreads exponentially , if we release lockdown now it will infect 3 earths worth of people or all of us 3 times , heard immunity .....