Lockdown is losing the support of South Africans

[ShaunSA]

Judging by the increased activity in my suburb SA's are starting to show guavamint a middle finger

 

[Drifter]

That is of a concern to me. A Twat like Cele might just use that against us. He already said it is very easy to go back to lvl 5. Do you think he cares about the economy? He is getting his kick backs, and has cases of JW Blue and cuban cigars at home. So feck the public.

 

[ToxicBunny]

That is of a concern to me. A Twat like Cele might just use that against us. He already said it is very easy to go back to lvl 5. Do you think he cares about the economy? He is getting his kick backs, and has cases of JW Blue and cuban cigars at home. So feck the public.

He is apparently a tea-totaler now... which is why he hates the booze so much.. if he can't have it, then nobody else can.

 

[Zurg]

Here's what I think of their stage 4 lockdown...

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Easy to say, maybe you should make a video displaying your frustration.

 

[Zurg]

I was in favour of lockdown until it went all primary school principal on us.

Now, ****em. I will make my own decisions about what risky behavior I choose to indulge in.

Lmao its easy to say that on a forum.

 

[ghostRgg]

Sadly only saw this one now "Lockdown is losing the support of South Africans" well when the government acts the way they do, big obvious no schit sherlock.

 

[Fargle]

Easy to say, maybe you should make a video displaying your frustration.

It would appear you're OK with playing bend over boy and being the gubbermint's little bitch; you're probably quite used to that role in life.
As for it being easy for me to say, in case you hadn't noticed I posted a pic too.
The saying goes that a picture is worth a thousand words, but I do understand your need for an explainer video.

 

[MissMapp]

From the FT today:

The lockdown will lead to 29 times more lives lost than the harm it seeks to prevent from Covid-19 in SA, according to a conservative estimate contained in a new model developed by local actuaries.

The group have sent a letter, explaining their model, to President Cyril Ramaphosa, entitled ‘lockdown is a humanitarian disaster to dwarf Covid-19”. In the letter, they call for an end to the lockdown, a focus on isolating the elderly and allowing children to go back to school, while ensuring the economy restarts so lives can be saved.

“Had the prospect that coronavirus could kill tens of millions of people been increasingly confirmed, lockdowns may have been justified. That possibility no longer exists. It now seems unlikely that more than a 1-million will die worldwide. The humanitarian crisis provoked by lockdown, however, is a matter of sheer certainty,” they say.

‘conservative estimate’

 

[Blue Shirt]

From the FT today:

The lockdown will lead to 29 times more lives lost than the harm it seeks to prevent from Covid-19 in SA, according to a conservative estimate contained in a new model developed by local actuaries.

The group have sent a letter, explaining their model, to President Cyril Ramaphosa, entitled ‘lockdown is a humanitarian disaster to dwarf Covid-19”. In the letter, they call for an end to the lockdown, a focus on isolating the elderly and allowing children to go back to school, while ensuring the economy restarts so lives can be saved.

“Had the prospect that coronavirus could kill tens of millions of people been increasingly confirmed, lockdowns may have been justified. That possibility no longer exists. It now seems unlikely that more than a 1-million will die worldwide. The humanitarian crisis provoked by lockdown, however, is a matter of sheer certainty,” they say.

‘conservative estimate’

Link please?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Link please?

EXCLUSIVE: Lockdown disaster dwarfs Covid-19, say SA actuaries

Model shows 10% of South Africans will become poorer and lose a few months of their lives

www.businesslive.co.za

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[Lupus]

From the FT today:

The lockdown will lead to 29 times more lives lost than the harm it seeks to prevent from Covid-19 in SA, according to a conservative estimate contained in a new model developed by local actuaries.

The group have sent a letter, explaining their model, to President Cyril Ramaphosa, entitled ‘lockdown is a humanitarian disaster to dwarf Covid-19”. In the letter, they call for an end to the lockdown, a focus on isolating the elderly and allowing children to go back to school, while ensuring the economy restarts so lives can be saved.

“Had the prospect that coronavirus could kill tens of millions of people been increasingly confirmed, lockdowns may have been justified. That possibility no longer exists. It now seems unlikely that more than a 1-million will die worldwide. The humanitarian crisis provoked by lockdown, however, is a matter of sheer certainty,” they say.

‘conservative estimate’

They won't listen, they need to save the people who will die of the virus, starvation takes weeks.

 

[FNfal]

This is true .

"
The God complex is a term used to describe an individual who has an almost unshakeable belief in their own personal abilities. Generally characterised by an inflated sense of self-importance, entitlement and deep need for admiration, a person with a God complex also has a total lack of empathy for other people.

Usually referred to as Narcissistic Personality Disorder, it is a form of mental disorder where an individual is often obsessed with status and power. It’s often seen in individuals showing what appears to be extreme confidence, however, this is usually a veneer which masks very low self-esteem and is often shattered when faced with criticism of their abilities or what they consider to be their achievements.

While generally used to describe individuals, it also aptly describes how the South African government appears to be considering its role in relation to its citizens in responding to Covid-19. The country is witnessing a distinctive type of arrogance and zealotry with which the government is approaching how it communicates on and implements the regulations that relate to the lockdown. It is permeating into every aspect of how the state is engaging with its citizens in its attempt to micromanage and regulate every aspect of their lives.

A good example of this stubborn God-like approach to policy was the banning of cooked food. A rule so inane and banal, it was virtually impossible to justify. When called out on this rule, instead of walking back their decision, the state then moved quickly to make a minor change to the wording of the regulations to specifically ban cooked food. Instead of engaging with the criticism, the default response was to push back against it and bulldoze forward.

Now, the government has stepped it up with banning e-commerce because Minister of Trade and Industry Ebrahim Patel believes it would be “unfair competition”. This was communicated with an air of such confidence and disdain that it was as if it was insulting for one to even dare ask what the logic is behind such a decision. Again, instead of constructively engaging with the critique on this, the government stubbornly pushes back with this sense of unquestionable self-righteousness."

OPINIONISTA: God complex and mission creep are starting to dominate government’s Covid-19 response

There is within the South African government a type of fanaticism coming with implementing the lockdown — and it is massively problematic.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

 

[Gordon_R]

EXCLUSIVE: Lockdown disaster dwarfs Covid-19, say SA actuaries

Model shows 10% of South Africans will become poorer and lose a few months of their lives

www.businesslive.co.za

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Thanks for the followup. This is the kind of 'expert' opinion that the government should be listening to, instead of single-mindedly focusing on only one disease, and an over-the-top reaction to this epidemic.

Sadly this letter is unlikely to make any difference, as we have already seen their stubbornness and reluctance to backtrack. I said weeks ago that I am less scared of the virus, than I am of people's reaction to it. This becomes clearer every day...

P.S. If you google the article, the full text can be viewed online.

Model shows 10% of South Africans will become poorer and lose a few months of their lives

The most important bit IMO:

It notes that deaths from poverty are slow, out of the public eye and easier to ignore.

 

[Gordon_R]

If you look at the expected tax figures alone, the lockdown is a terrible idea:

Lockdown, stalled economy could mean tax loss of up to R285bn - Kieswetter | Fin24

Edward Kieswetter says the tax agency also has 'clear evidence' the illicit economy is thriving under lockdown.

www.fin24.com

A loss of R285 billion in revenues would be larger than the R229.7 billion budget allocated for SA's health sector for 2020.

 

[Gordon_R]

Another set of opinions from Ralph Mathekga:

Ralph Mathekga | Tobacco, booze, grilled chicken: triple threat to government's lockdown authority

Because stubbornness is mistaken for strategy in some quarters, chances are that government would aim to defend the cases in court instead of opting to engage with groups and find a workable solution, writes Ralph Mathekga.

www.news24.com

But because stubbornness is mistaken for strategy in some quarters, chances are that government would aim to defend the cases in court instead of opting to engage with groups and find a workable solution.

The problem with this approach is that if the government loses in court on some of the disputes relating to lockdown, that would further undermine government's moral legitimacy to manage the lockdown.

 

[Gordon_R]

https://www.businesslive.co.za/fm/f...wn-disaster-dwarfs-covid-19-say-sa-actuaries/

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Daily Maverick version:

CORONAVIRUS ALERT: Actuaries warn Ramaphosa of a ‘humanitarian disaster to dwarf Covid-19′ if restrictive lockdown is not lifted

A continued lockdown is not only damaging the economy, it promises a 'humanitarian disaster to dwarf Covid-19’ by having a severe impact on the health and well-being of millions of South Africans. That is the gist of a detailed report sent to President Cyril Ramaphosa by a specialist panel...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

In a letter to Ramaphosa, delivered with the report, Panda requests “an urgent engagement with the government” to explain research that shows that the admitted economic impact of the pandemic will shorten the life expectancy of perhaps millions of South Africans. It points out that, six weeks ago, with little data available about the pandemic, “a rapid lockdown was a prudent decision”. But government should now take cognisance of “new and developing data available today”.

The overwhelming majority of deaths globally have also been among the elderly and among people with severe co-morbidities, diseases such a diabetes, high blood pressure, and chronic heart or kidney disorders. This the report highlights, pointing out that the impact of the virus is “heavily skewed towards already unhealthy elderly people and those with severe co-morbidities”. As such it concludes that “the impact of the virus on the vast majority of the population, particularly the economically active and school children, has been massively overstated”.

Given the relative youthfulness of South Africa’s population and the fact that the age distribution of deaths so far recorded is close to the age-based approach of Panda, the group believes that models estimating more than 20,000 domestic deaths from the virus “may well be overblown”. Another factor mentioned is that, so far, neither tuberculosis (TB) nor HIV, both highly prevalent in South Africa, have been shown to be risk factors.

Edit: Separate thread created and running in parallel: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/thr...f-restrictive-lockdown-is-not-lifted.1082653/

 

[Unhappy438]

If you look at the expected tax figures alone, the lockdown is a terrible idea:

Lockdown, stalled economy could mean tax loss of up to R285bn - Kieswetter | Fin24

Edward Kieswetter says the tax agency also has 'clear evidence' the illicit economy is thriving under lockdown.

www.fin24.com

Its even worse when its a country like South Africa where 60k people die in a year from TB. Why didnt we previously lock down for that?

 

[Groen92]

They probably won't budge now. Even if some authority said bluntly that the lockdown was a mistake, they'll probably ride their bad ideas out till the end. Whatever end that might be

 

[Gordon_R]

They probably won't budge now. Even if some authority said bluntly that the lockdown was a mistake, they'll probably ride their bad ideas out till the end. Whatever end that might be

There are very few 'elder' figures that command any respect, and could give some moral authority. Haven't heard from Desmond Tutu or Graca Machel in a while?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elders_(organization)

 

[Groen92]

There are very few 'elder' figures that command any respect, and could give some moral authority. Haven't heard from Desmond Tutu or Graca Machel in a while?

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elders_(organization)

Yes, good point. I hope they're not ill or something. I don't remember hearing from Desmond at all unless I missed something?